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Originally posted by Murcielago
(seriously) - What is the downside of freedom?
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Sometimes you gotta earn the right to have your question answered.
The thing is, I dunno. The friendship between two people is very different from the "friendship" between nations, which probably cannot be called a friendship at all. When it comes to international politics, it's all about economics and what side they present, nothing else. Should circumstances change, "friends" can easily become enemies. So it's kind of hard to relate the two
To give you a real answer, though, I wouldn't be against the U.S. responding to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, simply because China is the 2nd most powerful country on Earth and it's survival of the fittest in the world. Also, the simplicity of the situation is rather "appealing." Win, or lose to the world's rising superpower. Unfortuntaely, besides the survival of Taiwan and the defeat of China, the U.S. really has nothing to gain from fighting China.
Originally posted by csulli456
Ok I think I am in somewhat of agreeance with you now. I dont believe the US has anything to gain by fighting China except respect of all who will know we always have and always will stand by our allies. But thats not what its about. Its not about respect but it is about doing what is right and supporting a people who need and want us to defend them in the face of tyranny. We did promise. Its truly a tough decision but ultimately it comes down to what is right and how this would effect the future for all.
Originally posted by Pyros
Really? So, let me get this straight..........
It's perfectly OK for Australians to sit by and not lift a finger to help those people who helped keep Australia from getting invaded by Japan during WWII? I mean, who was it that kept the Japanese Imperial Army from knocking on your door? It was the Americans and the nationalist Chinese, friend.
And our battles for freedom and democracy are delusional, eh? Well, if thats the way you really feel about it, I wish you folks would have spoken up about 65 years ago so we didn't have to loose tens of thousands of Americans remving the Japanese from the SW Pacific. After all, if freedom and democracy aren't worth fighting for, well, why should the Allies have wasted so much blood, time, and effort keeping you free?
Originally posted by Trent
Maybe you need a history lesson. You did not enter the war to defend Australia or anyone else. You entered the war because YOU were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Your involvment had nothing to do with fighting for our freedom and if the japanese didn't attack you it's very possible you would have continued to stay neutral. Australia on the other hand entered the war long before we were under threat - went Germany invaded poland in 1939 which had nothing to do with our security, and declared war on Japan after the USA was attacked at Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
drfunk, are the entire government and leadership of China democratically elected by the whole people of China? Do the people of China enjoys more freedoms than ever before? Are human rights improving in China? Is there an excellent free press going on around China? Am I just seeing something's wrong here about the current reality of China now?
Your country and Taiwan enjoy all the things and opportunities that China doesn't have. If China invades, subdue and annex Taiwan forcefully, the people of Taiwan would no longer enjoy the same benefits that your country have now. One less country with the opportunities of liberty and prosperity disappear in a blink of eye because you don't wanted to lift a finger to aid or worry about your buddies sending off to fight in a war to keep the Taiwanese people from becoming subservient to Red China.
Perhaps you have a racial bias against the people of Taiwan and secretly wish the demise of Taiwan?
Bear in mind, drfunk, China have a global agenda to be a hegemonic superpower of all Asia and your country is on its list of future subservience due to the economic relationship between China and Australia. If you believe that relationship is good, you're just deluding yourself. China seeks nothing but a complete leverage of your country's economy and resources in the long run.
Originally posted by csulli456
Ok I think I am in somewhat of agreeance with you now. I dont believe the US has anything to gain by fighting China except respect of all who will know we always have and always will stand by our allies. But thats not what its about. Its not about respect but it is about doing what is right and supporting a people who need and want us to defend them in the face of tyranny. We did promise. Its truly a tough decision but ultimately it comes down to what is right and how this would effect the future for all.
Originally posted by Blackout
This thread is hilarious. So much controversy that some points brought up can be topics in themselves .
Originally posted by Pyros
Really? So, let me get this straight..........
It's perfectly OK for Australians to sit by and not lift a finger to help those people who helped keep Australia from getting invaded by Japan during WWII? I mean, who was it that kept the Japanese Imperial Army from knocking on your door? It was the Americans and the nationalist Chinese, friend.
Originally posted by Pyros
The Nationalist and Communist forces never "banded together".