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But the only way to understand the unknown is by reasoning the facks we have gathered…….
We can not observe or study the unknown, but we can reaon it by what we know by mathematical and scienfick facts…..
Do you think you are stating universal, absolute Truths ?
Why must there be any sort of data involved ?
What about no data ? No information ? Nothing ?
Seems to me that your version of nothing, and nothingness, are actually things, no ?
What about nothingness, beyond all things ?
Still things, no ?
Is not a void, a thing ?
1: Do not only physical things, have existence ?
2: Is a visual perception, not a thing ? Is mind, not a thing ?
When we start to call the void a thing or Things we are starting to add Properties to the void. Do you understand..?
Initially it is just a void of absolute Space.
Only physical things have existance. You can not see the vind but you know it exists because you can feel it, and you can see it's effect on your surroundings.
In other words: by describing your void, and it's limits, are you not making it a thing ?
We have not taken the time to define 'thingness'.
Do you figure the wind is a thing ?
So how to describe your idea of 'nothingness', without any specifics or details ?
No limitations, no properties, no qualities, no data-points ?
originally posted by: spy66
Before the void formed finite this void was absolute empty of finite. That is were the idea of the topic comes from: The Universe Creating Itself From Nothing
The way the heading is formulated by the OP is very non logical. The Univerese can not create it self from nothing. That emplies that the universe actually already exist.
If the universe don't exist at all, how can it create it self if the state of existance was a state of absolute nothing…?
If you visualize in you mind that you are present before the existance of time. What do you think you would observe..?
A thing or Things...? Or absolutely nothing..?
Now listen to Niels Bohr, the pioneer of 20th century physics:
"An independent reality, in the ordinary physical sense, can neither be ascribed to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation. "
Consider the words of Shankara, the famous Hindu philosopher: "All things -- from Brahma the creator down to a single blade of grass -- are. . .simply appearances and not real."
Compare with Werner Heisenberg, the inventor of quantum mechanics: "If one wants to give an accurate description of the elementary particle. . .the only thing which can be written down as description is a probability function. But then one sees that not even the quality of being. . .belongs to what is described".
If you dream that you are riding a motorcycle: how did you create that motorcycle ?
originally posted by: spy66
You can create this cenario visually in Your mind and think: How did this dark void of Space create this thing ?
But the big question is: How did this absolute infinite empty void of Space form this compressed mass..?
Odd question: How small is infinitely small? When is a mass infinitely small..?