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The Universe Creating Itself From Nothing

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posted on Dec, 13 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: Nothin

To be honest i dont really understand the way you try to argument.

But the only way to understand the unknown is by reasoning the facks we have gathered…….

We can not observe or study the unknown, but we can reaon it by what we know by mathematical and scienfick facts…..




posted on Dec, 13 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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Perhaps that's because am not trying to argue ?
Am not trying to make a point.
Am trying to get folks to reconsider their own points, beliefs, opinions, etc...

Like your statements:



But the only way to understand the unknown is by reasoning the facks we have gathered…….

We can not observe or study the unknown, but we can reaon it by what we know by mathematical and scienfick facts…..


Do you think you are stating universal, absolute Truths ?
Or are those statements opinion/belief/temporary ideas/observations/thoughts/concepts, something else, etc... ?

Here is a quote, just for fun:
“Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.” ? Frank Herbert, Dune.



posted on Dec, 13 2019 @ 10:14 PM
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Do you think you are stating universal, absolute Truths ?


I think i am. There are a few Things to look at. The first one is what is a "absolute constant". What "Properties" must it have..?

For something to be infinite and take up all Space there is.... It must be a "absolute" constant. No two Properties can take up all Space there is, so there can only be one Source. There can not be two Three or a billion Things....that occupy the same Space at the same time. And no two Properties can be a absolute constant……..

When it comes to time. A absolute void would have a absolute constant timeline. That means there are absolute no changes. To have knowledge of this void we have to apply the Math and the Science that we know. As soon as we start to add Properties to the Equation... we are no longer talking about the infinite… the absolute constant. Because then we are arguing a Space that have other Properties that we can observe….. We can observe something because it can be observed and measured. We can see it because it does not take up all Space there is. If something takes up all Space there is,..... we can not observe it and we can not measure it. It is just there…… It is basically common sence to know this.


These are the basics between: finite and the infinite….

Finites need to exist within a void of space to expand… within a void of Space that existed before it...……. Because finite needs a Space to exist in. That is also common sence and within Our understaning of Math and science.....


There is no finite that we know of that is a absolute constant and that takes up all Space there is. Non of you can give evidence of such finite.



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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:37 PM
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Hi Spy.
Am unfortunately not agreeable, with those so-called 'absolute Truths'.
Wasn't around when those forms of 'basic common sense' were handed-out.
Was maybe in the cosmic turlet, or something... LoL !

Why do you believe that 'nothingness' has qualities, such as 'infinite' ?

Why must there be any sort of data involved ?

What about no data ? No information ? Nothing ?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:17 PM
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"All that we know is but a DROP in the OCEAN of knowledge yet to learn"- Me
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:29 PM
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Why must there be any sort of data involved ?

What about no data ? No information ? Nothing ?



A void that is absolute and that takes up all Space there is, Is absolute neutral. In other Words: that void of Space is absolute empty. The void of Space just is. Such a void of Space is the only void of Space that can be infinite and take up all Space there is.

If a Space is absolute neutral, absolute empty how much information or data do you think you would be able to gather from it?

You would probably say no information can be gathered from such void. But you would be wrong. This void formed finite time. No other void could have done it. So we already know that much about its qualities.





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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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Well thanks for your reply.
Seems to me that your version of nothing, and nothingness, are actually things, no ?

What about nothingness, beyond all things ?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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Seems to me that your version of nothing, and nothingness, are actually things, no ?


A single existing void,... Yes.




What about nothingness, beyond all things ?


We have two preceptions of how we percieve what nothing or nothingness is.

1. The physical existance of nothing/nothingness.

2. Our minds visual perception of what nothingness is.

They are two way different realities of what we actually have. Moste peopel mix mind and matter.

Our mind is actually set up in this case to make us question Our minds Visual perception of nothing. Your job is to figure out what nothing/nothingness is,.... and explain it..... It is why we have this topic in the first palce.





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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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Still things, no ?
Is not a void, a thing ?

1: Do not only physical things, have existence ?
2: Is a visual perception, not a thing ? Is mind, not a thing ?

How could one perceive nothingness ?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 07:33 PM
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Still things, no ?

Is not a void, a thing ?


When we start to call the void a thing or Things we are starting to add Properties to the void. Do you understand..?

Initially it is just a void of absolute Space.

……………………………………….

But since the void formed finite (time), the void does have abilities. In one state the void is absolut neutral. It is a absolut constant. Then the void formed finite (time).

For a void that is absolute neutral, a absolute constant and absolute empty to do this, we have to add a property to it. Because at the moment the void formed finite (time) the void is no longer a absolut constant, or absolut neutral. And after it formed finite (time). It's Space in no longer absolut empty.

You can Call the void a thing or you can Call it intelligent. I would not Call the void a thing because that gives it less intelligence. This void is absolute so it is not just any kind of Space...… There exists non other like it. Our finite universe is nothing like this void of Space.





1: Do not only physical things, have existence ?

2: Is a visual perception, not a thing ? Is mind, not a thing ?


Only physical things have existance. You can not see the vind but you know it exists because you can feel it, and you can see it's effect on your surroundings.

What your mind percieves is a real thought and it exists at the moment you have the thought or vision. A thought is not a exsternal existance but a internal existance within once mind.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: spy66

"All that we know is but a DROP in the OCEAN of knowledge yet to learn"- Me


The the once who don't put their mind to it will know less.



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