Trump Signs PACT Act Into Law

a reply to: DBCowboy

Does this mean the left is PRO animal cruelty now?

Only baby animals.

What an absolute monster!!!

a reply to: Ahabstar

Yeah big animal friend here and I have been trying to grasp the intention of this bill all day..

I have been trying to understand America's legislation on animal cruelty ever since Robert Crosland dunked those puppies in a watertank as food for his snapping turtles in front of his students but do I understand it correctly that this PACT act is merely a revision of a bill already created in 2010 and that the most significant part about this bill is the part where these crush-videos are identified as form of speech undeserving of protection by the First Amendment?

Kind of confusing...

Peace

Trump Signs PACT Act Into Law

Have they gone to their usual judicial hacktavist to block it ?

a reply to: neo96

I was reading things like "The House has unanimously passed a bill.." and "the bipartisan act.." but somewhere you found a "they"...

Who are "they" and why would "they" block it?

Peace

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Ahabstar

Wellll Mitch McConnell is actually the reason laws aren't being passed in the Senate.

He is only holding up the insane, socialist/fascist bills the dems have passed to try to show they are 'doing something'.

There's even imminent danger of election interference in 2020, yet he doesn't want to do anything about election security bills.

Because the so-called election security bills would make it much, much easier for elections to be tampered with, and much, much harder to detect such tampering.

ETA: Oh- and there is essentially zero risk of real, substantive election tampering, just like there was none in the 2016 election. Anyone who claims that people being exposed to 'unqualified information' some of which may be partially or wholly untrue is equivalent to 'election interference' is just dumb.

a reply to: Ahabstar

The Bill references the word "Crushing" so it seems to be targeted to a specific type of animal abuse.

"Animal crushing is the act of torturing animals which is brutally committed in numerous ways, often small live animals such as kittens, puppies, bunnies, and mice. Videos often feature women in high heels stepping on small animals and crushing them. But the violence doesn’t stop there. A puppy being burned alive. A cat being nailed to the floor. These are some of the horrific examples of animal crush videos and pictures that have been circulating the Internet."

"The new Act defines the term “animal crushing” as when “one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles, or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned, suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily injury.” There will be several exceptions including normal veterinary/agricultural practices, slaughtering for food, animal sports activities, protection of human life, or medical/scientific research. Penalties for violations will be fines and/or imprisonment, not to exclude 7 years. This Act is currently pending a vote by the House before it can hit the President’s desk."

The bills sponsor was a dem from Florida and signed into law by the president yesterday..Animal Crushing

a reply to: Ahabstar

All I will say about this is that I find it ridiculous that the US made dog fighting a federal felony 12 years before they got around to actually making videos of people crushing domestic animals illegal. The feds often expose themselves and their priorities to the world and that was one of those situations... dog fighting bans and penalties had wide federal appeal not due to it involving innocent animals, but entirely because the US government wasn't getting their pound of flesh from it considering most dog fighting bets aren't reported to the IRS and we simply cannot have that. I can only presume this current bill quietly revolved around some sort of discovery that cryptocurrency was being exchanged for these videos and, again, the federal government doesn't act unless their bottom line is impacted.

That said, I have no problem with this bill whatsoever. Seems like a common sense, common values law that should have been passed years ago.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Personally I believe the PACT ACT is going to turn into nothing other than a pact-mentality act.

Seriously. If you can’t see this is yet another way for Big ‘G’ (‘G’overnment) to lodge their boot in your arse...er...door (in this case the barn door)? You need to look a little not closer, but ‘bigger’.

Ok, first, sure - someone stomps a kitten or throws live puppies out of their car on the freeway? Yes, they need to get a big spanking from the Government. But I’m not talking killing goldfish here.

I’m referring to someone (like me) who doesn’t depend on the ‘Establishment’ to feed me. I grow my own gardens and I personally send my own animals off to ‘Camp ‘Kenmore’ (the freezer). And people like me? We’re the last kind of person the Big ‘G’ wants on the public menu. They can’t control us. They can’t get us under their GMO thumb. We are independent from their culinary influence.

Until now.

Can you imagine someone driving by as I dispatch a bunny? (I’ll not describe how because there’s a snowflake out there someone who would more than gladly relay my description to the police). Shoot one of my butcher hogs? Pop the head off a cull pigeon? (Yep - that’s how it’s done. The most humane way out there). Well you can bet your ham sandwich I’d be in jail before the carcass was cool in the freezer.

Point being. To me? I give my animals the best life ever. They eat and drink before I do. They’re never cold, wet, left out in the elements. They get ‘treats’, love, respect and affection. When it’s time for me to eat? They come to their ‘end’ in the most humane way possible.

But - I’m not a licensed butcher. And...what is quick and humane to me? Might look like flat out animal cruelty to another.

So yeah, let’s all stand up and cheer because if someone hurts a poor ‘fur-baby’ (gag) - they’ll go to prison. Me? I’ll be waiting for the 'PACT' Police to knock on my barn-door from here on out and I’m not happy about it.

peace

a reply to: silo13

In those cases, you should be fine as animal husbandry and the inevitable final walk to processing would be outside of the scope. Unless you are doing something cruel and unusual. No mention as to where bullfighting would fit in, but that isn’t a popular American pastime like in other countries.

Quite a few farmhouses around here sell meat rabbits as advertised on homemade signs at the end of the lane. Not as many as sell eggs, but not uncommon either.

a reply to: Ahabstar

For now. That's the point. For now...

Tomorrow? I'm pretty sure it's headed right where I said.

Most of the people 'making the laws' are so out of touch with reality they think chicken comes from the supermarket.

a reply to: silo13

Numchuks on the left are already calling hunting "animal cruelty" - I think what people don't understand is that the federal government has the power to stop many crimes simply by seizing assets. It also gives them leeway to get international warrants and wiretapping abroad.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

My ex-wife #ed up two rims on my car by swerving to miss some asshole one-eyed cat on the road while I was away in Graffenwoehr. She ended up naming it Coraline and giving it to our friend's kid. So, I guess that one-eyed cat had better have given that kid some goddamn joy, at least enough to outweigh my two bent rims.

To be fair, that kid deserves some goddamn joy.

Sad that we need to pass a law like this in the first place. The mentality exhibited by some people nowadays is a sound argument against evolution.