a reply to: DBCowboy
I am not certain as to the exact motivation but I can agree whole heartedly that there is a motivation for both sides of this argument and money is
definitely a big player in there activity's.
We had the carbon point's swindle which was going to be bigger money for the power players than the fuel industry as one motivational factor.
Yes you do have a point that some people want to use it to take away freedom's but I would argue that those people are on BOTH sides of the argument,
FOR and AGAINST man made climate change.
Now here is my belief, Climate change is very, very real.
It is not solely down to human activity - though yes I do believe we have contributed to it.
Technically we are currently in an ice age called the Quaternary Ice Age, particularly an inter-glacial or glacial minimum between time's when our
world is far colder, 50.000 years ago in the relatively chilly climes of England for example Cheetah, Lion, Hippy (Sorry meant to read hippo but it is
apt given that this is the current movement among young kid's today who just like the hippy movement have jumped onto this as there thing?), Giraffe
and all manner of African Savannah life roamed the English countryside, then it got cold again and they all retreated or died off, then it thawed out
So 50.000 years ago it was a bit warmer than it is today, the world did not end then.
Sitting under 1275 feet of water is an archaeologically inconvenient discovery off of the north west coast of Cuba, the problem for anthropologists
and archaeologists is that to get to that depth naturally barring any major seismic activity in the region this SUNKEN CITY COMPLETE WITH PYRAMID
TEMPLES would have to be at LEAST 50.000 years old putting it back in the last inter-glacial period between period's of increased glaciation.
Pollution is a thing, plastic in the oceans is toxic and we are poisoning ourselves and our kid's BUT it has been a lot warmer in the past than it is
today also the Quaternary glaciation has to end at some point so the planet has to naturally go to a time when there are no polar ice cap's, it has
been there in the past and it will be there again in the future and mankind does not even have to do anything for that global warming to occur as it
is a natural process, the planet is slowly warming up as it ages due to the sun getting slowly hotter as it ages.
So are some believers in both sides of the argument brainwashed, most definitely especially children being given the wrong education by teachers that
are failing to put this global warming into context for them.
And over here in the UK we have a bunch of kid's whom think they know better arguing crap which is being used as ammunition by the political party's
to distract from some of there other less palatable policy's.
Also it is a fact that the climate has ALREADY passed a point of no return, the global warming as triggered massive methane release in the permafrost
of Siberia and probably Canada, it as triggered release of Crystalline methane deposit's under the sea as well which as they warm up are turning back
This natural methane release is set to become far larger than any and all human carbon and greenhouse gas emission.
This in turn WILL lead to a further melting of the ice sheet's and glaciers, this in turn will lead to a DESALINATION of the ocean's, this in turn
WILL lead to climate change as it will affect the oceanic conveyor.
Which will also affect the Jet Stream.
Think about the Oceanic Conveyor, the gulf stream is a part of this AND the Jet stream as circulatory system's in the earths ocean's and atmosphere,
they are driven by convection and the Oceanic Conveyor affects the Jet Stream, as the sea becomes less saline the warm water coming north into the
north Atlantic will stop, this will due to global warming result in GLOBAL COOLING and possibly even trigger a new glacial maximum or as you better
know them an ice age like the one that ended 12600 years ago will begin again, if this happen's sea level's will then begin to drop again and at the
height of the last glacial maximum say about 16000 years ago the sea level's were at least 400 feet lower, conversely if all the ice melt's it will
only rise by about 260 feet, OK that's enough to ruin your beech party and sink some islands and a few city's but it is extremely far from the end of
the world or the human race, more dangerous to humans is the potential of a new ice age.
But if we can survive we will, the new ice age mean's that if the sea's are 400 feet lower then we will be facing the problem of old port city's
becoming landlocked and new port city's having to be built on the new lower coast line, if that day ever come's future builders may make some shocking
discovery's among all those old ship wreck's, we may have done this all before.
On a side note, of course for someone religious like myself, the Kid's have been brainwashed out of believing in anything other than science by
secularist's, the discovery of mysterious thing's pointing to a past with a much lower sea level is of course no surprise, it is in fact something
many of us already believe and as for global warming, it happen's and always has, go back to the little ice age a period in which we very nearly
prematurely entered the next glacial maximum that lasted from the 1300's to about 1851 and which we slowly were and ARE still coming back out of
global famines occurred, entire cultures vanished around the world as a result of this global cooling, viking's even before this were often living in
holes dug out of the side of hill's like new cavemen.
But go back 4500 years to Denmark and Norway and we find people living in properly built square footprint cabin's and houses some perhaps with more
than one floor level, civilization seem's to rise and fall all of the time, if we throw away our technology and science just to please a bunch of tree
hugging ignorant's then we may inadvertently leave ourselves exposed and completely unable to cope with the next natural climate fluctuation which
will probably be to the cold side thing's.
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