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originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: underwerks
The Constitution, our government foundation, was specifically written to limit the size, scope, power and authority of government.
If corporations are your fear, then blame the government for writing the laws that enable the corporations that circumvent the Constitution.
What is it that makes the government corrupt? What is it that makes them write those laws that enable corporations to circumvent the constitution? Was it what the founders wrote, was it how they designed our government, or is the flaw of government the people who run it?
It’s the people. People will always be greedy and corrupt. You can always count on that. So there needs to be some kind of system to hold that in check. What we have isn’t perfect, no doubt. But we can always change it. That’s what makes it better than the alternative.
If we can agree that people will always be greedy and corrupt, then why would you ever support a candidate or system that cedes more power, control, authority to the corrupt system?
This is what I mean about intellectual dishonesty.
Because the government isn’t a person. it’s a system, designed by people. And as such can be designed to work any way we want. That includes holding in check the worst of us. I think that was the whole point until corrupt people whored it out by taking power away from it and handing it over to corporations.
It’s not having a system that’s the problem, it’s the people. And if the people can’t be fixed we have to change the system.
That makes no sense.
If we have corrupt people in our capitalist system and change the system to a socialist system, then we'll have corrupt people in our socialist system.
Changing the system will not change the corruption within.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: underwerks
Changing the system will not change the corruption within.
Putting a Lexus body over the motor of a Chevy Vega will NOT make the car a Lexus!
2.8 Marketplace Freedom
Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of entities based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise.
originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: DBCowboy
But a Vega, still running with relatively low miles and a solid body will go for more than a ten year old Lexus, because it is 40+ years old. Which makes it pretty rare. A Ford Elite in great shape might still go for original sticker price though. Which if you think about is pretty amazing in itself since that was a total crap car.
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Gryphon66
I just want you to know I agree with a lot of libertarian ideals concerning the freedoms we should have as individuals. But the thing is, the current libertarian party is being used as a tool by the worst of the right wing dark money people. The Koch Brothers, Peter Thiel, etc.
It’s being used as a way to control a different subset of the same people by the same big money donors who ruined modern conservatism. It’s a sham. And everyone that carries their party line is being used by the same people. Knowingly or not.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: underwerks
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How do you make corruption obsolete?
How is giving more power, authority, control to corrupt people going to make corrupt people not-corrupt?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Gryphon66
I just want you to know I agree with a lot of libertarian ideals concerning the freedoms we should have as individuals. But the thing is, the current libertarian party is being used as a tool by the worst of the right wing dark money people. The Koch Brothers, Peter Thiel, etc.
It’s being used as a way to control a different subset of the same people by the same big money donors who ruined modern conservatism. It’s a sham. And everyone that carries their party line is being used by the same people. Knowingly or not.
I’m glad you identify with some of the LP goals. I do not agree with all of them. As no one should adopt any set of arbitrary statements as uncompromising truth.
Perhaps the LP is as corrupt as you say, but really, what would be teh point of that? All parties not Republcian or Democrat are for all intents and purposes excluded from the national arena.
And I’m very hopeful you aren’t claiming that the Democratic Party is not funded by as much “dark money” as anyone, right?
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Gryphon66
I just want you to know I agree with a lot of libertarian ideals concerning the freedoms we should have as individuals. But the thing is, the current libertarian party is being used as a tool by the worst of the right wing dark money people. The Koch Brothers, Peter Thiel, etc.
It’s being used as a way to control a different subset of the same people by the same big money donors who ruined modern conservatism. It’s a sham. And everyone that carries their party line is being used by the same people. Knowingly or not.
I’m glad you identify with some of the LP goals. I do not agree with all of them. As no one should adopt any set of arbitrary statements as uncompromising truth.
Perhaps the LP is as corrupt as you say, but really, what would be teh point of that? All parties not Republcian or Democrat are for all intents and purposes excluded from the national arena.
And I’m very hopeful you aren’t claiming that the Democratic Party is not funded by as much “dark money” as anyone, right?
There isn’t a political party on the face of this earth I identify or agree with. Political parties are the problem, the elephant in the room. I think we should abolish all political parties and vote on single candidates only.
It doesn’t matter if political parties other than Democrats or Republicans are excluded from the national arena, they’re still useful tools for the people who who control the Democrats and Republicans. Just take a look at the people who fund all the other parties to get a sense of how they’re being used and by whom.