Meanwhile in the real world...

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh, I understand. So, what part is fake?

Was there a yearly budget passed this fiscal year?

Were there two Continuing Resolutions passed instead?

Is there not an impeachment inquiry happening?

Did the House wait until the very last day of the previous Continuing Resolution to even take up another one?

Please, explain how fake this all is.

TheRedneck

a reply to: chr0naut

Today's news services have assumed that their consumers are idiots and therefore have to explain everything in very simplistic terms. Then little by little, 'commentary' overtook 'news' until now when there are three seconds of facts interspersed with 24x7 live commentary by photogenic talking heads and panels of carefully selected, paid, 'experts'.

Cool story bro.

WTF does that have to do with the actual OP?

Besides a link that states the the House doesn't have time to pass a budget.

Which you can google and find is factual.... on every single site out there.

Drug tests should be mandatory for the whole lot of them as well.

You can’t even deliver pizzas or stock groceries on a shelf without having to pee in a cup, but apparently you can snort a whole 8-ball of coke (or drink a fifth of vodka in Pelosis case) and propose and vote on our nations laws.

It’s never made sense to me at all.

Funny how both houses could come together to extend the patriot act, which we all oppose. Even AOC voted against it. She was pretty lonely in that from what I hear. And we all sit quietly by while both parties vote against our interests.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh, I understand. So, what part is fake?

Was there a yearly budget passed this fiscal year?

Were there two Continuing Resolutions passed instead?

Is there not an impeachment inquiry happening?

Did the House wait until the very last day of the previous Continuing Resolution to even take up another one?

Please, explain how fake this all is.

TheRedneck

I wasn't suggesting anything was fake. You were.

From the OP: "the hoax being perpetrated by Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and a host of similarly clueless imbeciles in the US House pretending to be legislators".

They are legislators. They are doing what they are doing. They have the right and capability to do so. If Trump is doing the wrong thing, they actually have the duty to prosecute. It is happening. It is now public.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: chr0naut

Today's news services have assumed that their consumers are idiots and therefore have to explain everything in very simplistic terms. Then little by little, 'commentary' overtook 'news' until now when there are three seconds of facts interspersed with 24x7 live commentary by photogenic talking heads and panels of carefully selected, paid, 'experts'.

Cool story bro.

WTF does that have to do with the actual OP?

Besides a link that states the the House doesn't have time to pass a budget.

Which you can google and find is factual.... on every single site out there.

That post was not directly referring to the OP. I was answering a subsequent post by the Redneck.

a reply to: TheRedneck
Its their plan to deflect from the fisa ig report.
Cant do squat if the government is shutdown.

a reply to: TheRedneck

In reference to the OP, if Trump truly has pulled off an economic miracle (which I don't believe he has), or, if things aren't worsening economically and are instead stable or better, how is the current budget invalidated?

Surely if things are going well, you don't make changes which might destabilize that?

Please explain why it would be it wrong to defer a revision to the budget, in a time of economic stability?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: chr0naut

Today's news services have assumed that their consumers are idiots and therefore have to explain everything in very simplistic terms. Then little by little, 'commentary' overtook 'news' until now when there are three seconds of facts interspersed with 24x7 live commentary by photogenic talking heads and panels of carefully selected, paid, 'experts'.

Cool story bro.

WTF does that have to do with the actual OP?

Besides a link that states the the House doesn't have time to pass a budget.

Which you can google and find is factual.... on every single site out there.

That post was not directly referring to the OP. I was answering a subsequent post by the Redneck.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

The people that we have elected that have as their primary duty the writing and passing of a budget for the USA can't get to that duty because they are desperately attempting to impeach our duly elected President for essentially doing his job.

All in an attempt to get him out of office before he is elected into said office again because they simply don't have a candidate that can beat him.

You back on track now?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Yeah, I never understood why they are allowed to spend days 'holding court' instead of what they're actually elected to do. Maybe the Supreme Court should handle hearings that decide guilt or innocence? They may be left or right leaning, but they do seem to at least give justice a fighting chance.

If nothing else, do your kangaroo court stuff after hours, Pelosi & Co. !

a reply to: chr0naut

Of course you make changes. Just because I make the same money this year as I did last year doesn't mean I spend the same and on the same things.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: chr0naut

Today's news services have assumed that their consumers are idiots and therefore have to explain everything in very simplistic terms. Then little by little, 'commentary' overtook 'news' until now when there are three seconds of facts interspersed with 24x7 live commentary by photogenic talking heads and panels of carefully selected, paid, 'experts'.

Cool story bro.

WTF does that have to do with the actual OP?

Besides a link that states the the House doesn't have time to pass a budget.

Which you can google and find is factual.... on every single site out there.

That post was not directly referring to the OP. I was answering a subsequent post by the Redneck.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

The people that we have elected that have as their primary duty the writing and passing of a budget for the USA can't get to that duty because they are desperately attempting to impeach our duly elected President for essentially doing his job.

All in an attempt to get him out of office before he is elected into said office again because they simply don't have a candidate that can beat him.

You back on track now?

I could argue that Congress aren't there to produce budgets.

Article One of the United States Constitution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note Section 3, clauses 6 & 7. Apparently they are, in fact, doing their Constitutional duty.

a reply to: chr0naut

If we did not have the transcript, if we did not have every single first hand witness saying Trump did nothing wrong, if we did not have Ukraine saying Democrats are hindering their corruption investigations ... I would agree.

It seems as presently, a sinking Dem ship. Obvious problems in too many facets of their business model, media and affairs.

There are some great people who are Democrats, but they are all faced with the demise of their party, or at least, a serious facsimile replacement, thereof.

Expect them to fight for it, as this is History, and the two parties have simultaneously existed for a long time.

I think it can be resolved.

Too much change, my America, is not healthy.

Just an easy 2C

a reply to: TheRedneck
I’ve been very vocal on this site about this exact subject, because if there’s any one thing that pisses me off, it’s people that are payed really well to do a job and don’t eff’n do it or do it so half ass that they may as well stayed in bed.

Most of us here have worked really hard just to have the simplest things in life, we get up, suit up, and show up because we have a job to do and need to get things done. I remember going ten years without a vacation, they’re on vacation every other week it seems and I’m paying for it. The do nothing dems have done exactly that, nothing, besides waste our hard earned tax dollars that we pay them to get chit done. What do we get in return?.....a frick’n three year going on four year circus sideshow watching them hunt unicorns. They’re WORTHLESS.

You want to see them get something done? Attach a ten cent congressional pay raise to a bill and the greedy bastards will pass anything. Yep, their worthlessness is something else.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

If we did not have the transcript, if we did not have every single first hand witness saying Trump did nothing wrong, if we did not have Ukraine saying Democrats are hindering their corruption investigations ... I would agree.

We don't have a transcript, we have a memorandum of the call, which includes a "Caution" clause in its footer explaining that it is not a verbatim transcript.

Trump's Ukraine call transcript: Read the document - FoxNews

We have Lt Col Alexander Vindman who was a first hand witness, telling Congress that Trump made "inappropriate" political demands of the Ukrainian President. There were others, too.

a reply to: chr0naut

I wasn't suggesting anything was fake. You were.

Bull-Shiff.

They are legislators.

No, they are supposed to be legislators. Legislators pass laws; look it up. Investigators investigate cases. The primary job of the House and Senate is to pass laws, and the House is charged with the sole responsibility for introducing financial legislation.

The House has the authority to investigate and impeach the President in cases of high crimes and misdemeanors. So far, not one single witness has alluded to a high crime or misdemeanor. Every single one has been asked that point blank and all have said no.

My point is that the legislative duties are being overlooked because the legislators are playing investigator when there is obviously nothing to investigate. They need to either do their job or go home.

TheRedneck

a reply to: chr0naut

Surely if things are going well, you don't make changes which might destabilize that?

Please explain why it would be it wrong to defer a revision to the budget, in a time of economic stability?

Please educate yourself.

I am not calling for a revision to anything (at least not in this thread; I do believe we could trim a heck of a lot). Without a budget, there is no money to pay the military, defense contractors, government employees, pay government contracts, even provide assistance to the needy. We have laws that force the government to provide the bare minimum services even without a budget, but that does not cover the majority of those who work for the government. The government shuts down.

This potential shutdown, which was delayed with literally less than 6 hours left, is exactly the same thing you were complaining about a year ago. Exactly. The only difference is that this time you can't hang it on Donald Trump.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh, I understand. So, what part is fake?

Was there a yearly budget passed this fiscal year?

Were there two Continuing Resolutions passed instead?

Is there not an impeachment inquiry happening?

Did the House wait until the very last day of the previous Continuing Resolution to even take up another one?

Please, explain how fake this all is.

TheRedneck

They are legislators. They are doing what they are doing. They have the right and capability to do so. If Trump is doing the wrong thing, they actually have the duty to prosecute. It is happening. It is now public.

Just because you have the right and capability to do something, doesn’t mean thats what you need to be doing. This charade over a phone call for Christ sakes doesn’t warrant stopping the world from spinning. They’re being a bunch of butt hurt babies because the lost, that’s what this is all about, nothing more. The majority of citizens( you know... the ones they’re supposed to be working for and not)see right through this nonsense and want it to stop like yesterday.

a reply to: charlyv

Expect them to fight for it, as this is History, and the two parties have simultaneously existed for a long time.

Fun history fact... what is now the Democratic and Republican parties were once the Democratic Republican party.

The "other" party was the Whigs.

Once the Democratic Republican party got rid of the Whigs, they eventually split on ideological differences.

This time I think once the Democratic party fades, there will be a fight between the Socialist Democratic party and the Libertarian party to be the second party... both will be a thorn in the side of the Republican party and may very well sink that party too if the Republicans don't steer back to being actual Conservatives.

My 2 cents.