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Zelenskys team admits Hunter biden and dems impeachment stopping them from investigating corruption

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posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 04:16 PM
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An article from Time magazine, a left leaning source that by no means carries water for Trunp, from Nov 20 of this year shows that Hunter Bidens role on Burisma is to this day affecting Ukraine's ability to investigate that company and its corrupt owner Zlochevsky


One of the troubling questions at the center of the impeachment inquiry, at least for Republicans, has been the work that Hunter Biden did for Burisma, one of Ukraine’s largest gas companies, while his father was serving as Vice President. But the intensity of interest in Washington is only making it more difficult to resolve the mystery.

To this day, Burisma’s connection to Hunter Biden has made it much harder for Ukrainian authorities to investigate the company for corruption, current and former officials in Ukraine tell TIME. In that sense, Burisma is still getting its money’s worth for the reported $50,000 per month it paid the younger Biden to sit on its board from 2014 until earlier this year.


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This is a startling admission.

Dem impeachment witness George Kent admitted it has been a goal of the US ever since Porosheno ousted former Ukrainian president Yankunovytch to have Burisma and Zlochevsky held accountable for their corruption

Now we know, as has been alleged y democrats and denied by democrats, that the new adminstartion of Zlelensky finds Hunter Bidens job in Burisma to be a factor in them not being able to properly investigate Burisma and its owner.

In fact, this has been money well spent by the corrupt owner of Burisma.

Now nearly every witness testified that although they assume Burisma is corrupt, they found an investigation into it to be either troubling for trump to want, or a waste of time. And certainly everyone is horrified that Hunter or Joe Biden would be investigated.

Biut now we know that Zlensky;s team does want to investigate Burisma, and in fact Hunter Biden being a part of it has harmed that.

This shows me that not only was trump right to want Burisma investigated, but also right in wanting Hunter, and his father Joe investigated as well. If the Ukrainians admit Hunters role has affected their ability to investigate, the US has the right to see if his role in the company not only affected Ukrainian investigations, but also US government decisions because of who is father was.

Even if Hunter never committed a crime, his connection clearly helped the corrupt company, and warrants an invetsigation.

Now remember, Zelensky has been unanimously praised by all dems and their witnesses in teh impeachment hearings as a good reformer who is finally fighting corruption.

So why wopuldnt the dems do everything they can to encourage Zelensky to investiate Burisma and wheteher Hunter bidens role in the company helped cover up crimes? Instead, the demand no investigation happen, and say it would help Russia.

Whats more, Zelensky's team is also saying the impeachment investigation itself is harming their ability to investigate the corrupt Zlochevsky.


“It’s too sensitive a topic,” says an official in Kyiv, who would only discuss the company’s case on condition of anonymity. “I think that we need to investigate Burisma. Not for Trump. And not against Biden. We need to do that because this is just a case of corruption,” says the official, who is familiar with the thinking of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But the impeachment inquiry has “changed the context” around alleged corruption at Burisma, adds the official. “And this is bad.”


time.com...

So now they are afraid that the dems will claim any ivetsigation of Burisma is election interfernce to help trump and hurt Biden. Zelensky, as the dems have admitted, promised the Ukrainian people he would fight corruption. Now the dems impeachment efforts are forcing Zelensky to have to slow walk that promise.

Also, remember, Obama worked closely with Zelensky's predecessor Poroshenko. He gave him billions of dollars in aid, and even influenced their anti corruption agencies. All of the state dept officials we are told recognized Bide/Obama were correctr to issue their quid pro quo because we didnt want to give a corrupt country a billion dollar loan, but they also recognized after that prosecutor was out we should give the money to Poroshenko.

Well as the Ukrainian people vote shows, the corruption was rampant under poroshenko. And the new prosecutor under zelensky, who the dems and state dept say is a great man, says he wants to investigate cases his predecessors buried.


Since taking office this summer, the government’s new prosecutor general, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, has initiated a wide-ranging review of many old corruption cases, looking for signs that they were closed under suspicious circumstances. He has also forced prosecutors to undergo a series of examinations meant to test their competence and integrity. “There were many, many cases which were buried by my predecessors,” Ryaboshapka said in an interview on Nov. 13 with the Kyiv Post.


So add this all up.

Obama was giving huge amounts of aid to a corrupt administration. He and Biden issued a qpq to get a prosecutor fired, and then the Burisma case went to the Obama allied NABU which buried it.

Everyone agrees the new president zelensky is a good man fighting corruption. His team says both hunter bidens role in burisma, and the dems impeachment case is harming them from investigating Burisma and its owner, which they feel is very important to do. The new prosecutor admits the previous admin buried important cases.

And yet, despite all of this, the dems say trump wanting burisma and the bidens investigated is a crime, and would help russia.








posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Biden claims his goal was to get corruption investigated. After he did what he did Burisma was let go and the investigation ended. Biden was super happy with the outcome. How do those facts mesh?



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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How in the world do the Biden's weasel their way out of this one.
Hell is about to be unleashed and there will be so many stories.
Grambler and others here at ATS will be some of our chief informers as we know most reports will not get out for mass consumption.
If some of our hunches are right the proverbial Schiff is about to hit the fan.

Side note:
Can you imagine all these career professionals, diplomats in Ukraine, were totally clueless about the corruption and the Biden's involvement.
They all suck!! They are why Trump got elected!!!



originally posted by: Grambler
An article from Time magazine, a left leaning source that by no means carries water for Trunp, from Nov 20 of this year shows that Hunter Bidens role on Burisma is to this day affecting Ukraine's ability to investigate that company and its corrupt owner Zlochevsky


One of the troubling questions at the center of the impeachment inquiry, at least for Republicans, has been the work that Hunter Biden did for Burisma, one of Ukraine’s largest gas companies, while his father was serving as Vice President. But the intensity of interest in Washington is only making it more difficult to resolve the mystery.

To this day, Burisma’s connection to Hunter Biden has made it much harder for Ukrainian authorities to investigate the company for corruption, current and former officials in Ukraine tell TIME. In that sense, Burisma is still getting its money’s worth for the reported $50,000 per month it paid the younger Biden to sit on its board from 2014 until earlier this year.


time.com...

This is a startling admission.

Dem impeachment witness George Kent admitted it has been a goal of the US ever since Porosheno ousted former Ukrainian president Yankunovytch to have Burisma and Zlochevsky held accountable for their corruption

Now we know, as has been alleged y democrats and denied by democrats, that the new adminstartion of Zlelensky finds Hunter Bidens job in Burisma to be a factor in them not being able to properly investigate Burisma and its owner.

In fact, this has been money well spent by the corrupt owner of Burisma.

Now nearly every witness testified that although they assume Burisma is corrupt, they found an investigation into it to be either troubling for trump to want, or a waste of time. And certainly everyone is horrified that Hunter or Joe Biden would be investigated.

Biut now we know that Zlensky;s team does want to investigate Burisma, and in fact Hunter Biden being a part of it has harmed that.

This shows me that not only was trump right to want Burisma investigated, but also right in wanting Hunter, and his father Joe investigated as well. If the Ukrainians admit Hunters role has affected their ability to investigate, the US has the right to see if his role in the company not only affected Ukrainian investigations, but also US government decisions because of who is father was.

Even if Hunter never committed a crime, his connection clearly helped the corrupt company, and warrants an invetsigation.

Now remember, Zelensky has been unanimously praised by all dems and their witnesses in teh impeachment hearings as a good reformer who is finally fighting corruption.

So why wopuldnt the dems do everything they can to encourage Zelensky to investiate Burisma and wheteher Hunter bidens role in the company helped cover up crimes? Instead, the demand no investigation happen, and say it would help Russia.

Whats more, Zelensky's team is also saying the impeachment investigation itself is harming their ability to investigate the corrupt Zlochevsky.


“It’s too sensitive a topic,” says an official in Kyiv, who would only discuss the company’s case on condition of anonymity. “I think that we need to investigate Burisma. Not for Trump. And not against Biden. We need to do that because this is just a case of corruption,” says the official, who is familiar with the thinking of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But the impeachment inquiry has “changed the context” around alleged corruption at Burisma, adds the official. “And this is bad.”


time.com...

So now they are afraid that the dems will claim any ivetsigation of Burisma is election interfernce to help trump and hurt Biden. Zelensky, as the dems have admitted, promised the Ukrainian people he would fight corruption. Now the dems impeachment efforts are forcing Zelensky to have to slow walk that promise.

Also, remember, Obama worked closely with Zelensky's predecessor Poroshenko. He gave him billions of dollars in aid, and even influenced their anti corruption agencies. All of the state dept officials we are told recognized Bide/Obama were correctr to issue their quid pro quo because we didnt want to give a corrupt country a billion dollar loan, but they also recognized after that prosecutor was out we should give the money to Poroshenko.

Well as the Ukrainian people vote shows, the corruption was rampant under poroshenko. And the new prosecutor under zelensky, who the dems and state dept say is a great man, says he wants to investigate cases his predecessors buried.


Since taking office this summer, the government’s new prosecutor general, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, has initiated a wide-ranging review of many old corruption cases, looking for signs that they were closed under suspicious circumstances. He has also forced prosecutors to undergo a series of examinations meant to test their competence and integrity. “There were many, many cases which were buried by my predecessors,” Ryaboshapka said in an interview on Nov. 13 with the Kyiv Post.


So add this all up.

Obama was giving huge amounts of aid to a corrupt administration. He and Biden issued a qpq to get a prosecutor fired, and then the Burisma case went to the Obama allied NABU which buried it.

Everyone agrees the new president zelensky is a good man fighting corruption. His team says both hunter bidens role in burisma, and the dems impeachment case is harming them from investigating Burisma and its owner, which they feel is very important to do. The new prosecutor admits the previous admin buried important cases.

And yet, despite all of this, the dems say trump wanting burisma and the bidens investigated is a crime, and would help russia.





edit on 21-11-2019 by fringeofthefringe because: grammer



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 04:40 PM
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The new prosecutor admits the previous admin buried important cases.

And yet, despite all of this, the dems say trump wanting burisma and the bidens investigated is a crime, and would help russia.


I'm also thinking that there's a reason they want to keep all eyes on Burisma and the Bidens, and keep eyes away from Franklin Templeton and Rosemont Seneca, both being the vehicles by which funds were laundered/embezzled. And my best guess that those funds were divvied up between the players and the DNC.

Burisma and the Bidens are sacrificed for the ultimate goals.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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And yet, despite all of this, the dems say trump wanting burisma and the bidens investigated is a crime, and would help russia.


The Dems say it's a "crime," so that the focus stays just on Trump and not on their own involvement in the Ukraine.




posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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The entrenched elite are always going to be corrupt and evil. I don't know the answer to stopping or preventing this. They own and control everything. Even if we somehow overthrow them then we fall into the meaty hands of some strongman warlord that fills the villainous void. All we can really do is fight for our own personal liberty and freedoms to ensure we still have a place in their world and a chance at making the our little piece of land a little better place for ourselves and those we know and love.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: sooth

This article was posted by another great member last night in a thread

Between it in that thread, and this one here, not one trump disliker has even mentioned it

I assume we are waiting for an official response from the dnc, that will probably be something to the effect of “Zelenskyy people are just saying this because they fear trump!”
edit on 21-11-2019 by Grambler because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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When Burisma bought protection in the form who sits on their board, they made it clear they weren't changing their ways.

What has to be going through everyday Ukrainian's minds over there as they watch the impeachment inquiry? Certain politicians bloviating about the need for transparency and non-corruption from Ukraine all the while their kids sit on the board of a known corrupt company in order to propagate the status quo?

Then someone says Hey! you need to look into this...and the dude gets impeached. Because reasons. Yup. Totally legit.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: ABNARTY

Well put!!

I said this in my live stream today

Holmes and hill kept saying Ukrainians are smart, they watch when the US is being hypocritical

Yet they see the coup against trump

And as George Kent testified, they knew the Obama state dept was pressuring them to drop investigations into obama associates and Ukrainians that engaged in election interference

Now Zelensky has s afraid the Dems will come after him if he roots out corruption

It unbelievable



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:06 PM
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Great thread Grambler,

Let's hope the impeachment hearings continue
to bring light on this, even if that was not
the intention of the Democrats.

Ukraine is a very messy politically speaking,
they were all in for Hillary and backed the wrong
person.

Trump is not going to back down, perhaps if there
are any decent people in Ukraine they can wait
this out and see it through.




posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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Exactly how is Hunter Biden and the impeachment circus stopping Ukraine from investigating its own corruption?



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Exactly how is Hunter Biden and the impeachment circus stopping Ukraine from investigating its own corruption?

What happens if the Democrats win this battle and then go after Ukraine? The Democrats have made it clear they want Ukraine to cease their investigations.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Oh, so the Ukraine investigators and government are self paralyzed.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Oh, so the Ukraine investigators and government are self paralyzed.


That was my interpretation, they are too scared of the political consequences of looking into corruption.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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Hunter Biden made investigations hard they say

Why would that be?

Well apparently they didn’t want to anger his father and risk the billion dollars in aid they were getting

Same with impeachment

They fear there actions would be perceieved as helping trump in a domestic political situation; and fear that may risk losing support of democrats win



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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It quite simply makes no sense with the story Democrats want us to believe.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 10:01 PM
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It is disturbing that Hunter went work for such a corrupt company and even their new administration in Ukraine is hampered in their ability to investigate the company. The son of our VP should not been allowed to go work for a corrupt company in a corrupt government. Biden should not have been allowed to do what he did to get the Ukraine guy fired either, even though the guy was corrupt. From what the Ambassador that was dismissed by trump said in her testimony, a large part of the present ukraine government is still corrupt. Trump should not be blasted for starting the investigation up either.

I do not think Biden would have won the primaries, what Trump did didn't effect anything. Except now, some gullible Democrats will now vote for Biden when they would not before, feeling he is wronged by Trump. Nobody should feel sorry for Biden, he did something not right, although, like Trump's actions, what he did is not considered illegal. The leaders of most countries do that kind of thing.



posted on Nov, 21 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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Wow. Lindsey is starting a senate investigation into biden's actions in Ukraine. www.yahoo.com...

I do not believe Biden actually broke any laws, but this needs to be investigated. Also the part about the Democrats trying to force the Ukraine to investigate Trump needs to be investigated.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 06:57 AM
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While I don't think any of this should be wasting congress's time on impeachment... I also think this whole thing is a cluster f### on both sides.

Ukraine should have decided to do this investigation on their own. If the US did get involved in any investigation, it should have been done by the DOJ or State Dept. if collaborating with a foreign entity. Ukraine needs to handle their house.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 07:03 AM
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Agreed

Which is why Bidens quid pro quo and forcing them to fire an prosecutor looking onto his sons company by threatening to withhold a billion US tax dollars in the form of a congressional approved loan needs to be investigated



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