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Family of Mexico Massacre Victims Message to America: "Hold On To your Guns!"

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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 12:41 AM
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Kendra Lee Miller, a family member of the Mormon family whom were massacred by the Mexican drug cartel, has a strong message for all Americans.

"... These things happen in Mexico because the people can't protect themselves. Because by law they are not allowed to own these guns...and so...Humm... Since the government isn't doing their job of protection in the way that they should, these cartels will just bring havoc and the people are left defenseless.. And so, I say hold on to your guns people."



What say you ATS members?




posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 12:47 AM
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The right to bear arms is part of the Mexican Constitution, not sure where this lady is getting the idea that it's illegal to own guns there.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The right to bear arms is part of the Mexican Constitution, not sure where this lady is getting the idea that it's illegal to own guns there.



The Mexican constitution allows for legal possession of one small-caliber firearm with several important caveats: the owner must be a Mexican citizen, or a foreigner with legal residency status; the firearm must be of small caliber as specifically cited by the regulations; it must be registered with the army and; critically, the firearm is not to be carried in the street. The purpose of the law is to provide for self-defense within the confine of one’s own home.

read more here

www.mexperience.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

their 2nd amendment so to speak is vastly different from ours hell the entire country has ONE gun store

www.latimes.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

he right to keep and bear arms was first recognized as a constitutional right under Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution of 1857.[8] However, as part of the Mexican Constitution of 1917, Article 10 was changed[9] where-by the right to keep and bear arms was given two separate definitions: the right to keep (derecho a poseer in Spanish) and the right to bear (derecho a portar in Spanish).[10] The new version of Article 10 specified that citizens were entitled to keep arms (own them) but may only bear them (carry them) among the population in accordance to police regulation.[11] This modification to Article 10 also introduced the so-called ...[arms] for exclusive use of the [military]... (in Spanish: ...de uso exclusivo del Ejército...), dictating that the law would stipulate which weapons were reserved for the armed forces, including law enforcement agencies, for being considered weapons of war. In 1971, Article 10 of the present Constitution was changed[12] to limit the right to keep arms within the home only (in Spanish: ...derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio...) and reserved the right to bear arms outside the home only to those explicitly authorized by law (i.e. police, military, armed security officers). The following year, the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives came into force[13] and gave the federal government complete jurisdiction and control to the legal proliferation of firearms in the country; at the same time, heavily limiting and restricting the legal access to firearms by civilians. As a result of the changes to Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution and the enactment of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, openly carrying a firearm or carrying a concealed weapon in public is virtually forbidden to private citizens, unless explicitly authorized by the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA). For purposes of personal protection, firearms are only permitted within the place of residence and of the type and caliber permitted by law.
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n regard to what type of firearms are permitted, Title II, Chapter I, Article 9 of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives states: (translated) It may be kept or carried, under the terms and limitations established by this law, weapons of the following characteristics:[27] Semi-automatic handguns of caliber no greater than .380 (9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, and 9×17mm). Left excepted are calibers .38 Super and .38 commander, and also calibers 9mm. [Such as] Mauser, Luger, etc., as well as similar models of the same caliber of the excepted, from other brands. Revolvers of calibers no greater than .38 Special, left excepted is caliber .357 magnum. Land tenure owners, common land owners and farmworkers outside urban zones, may keep and carry, upon registration, one weapon of those already mentioned, or a .22 caliber rifle, or a shotgun of any caliber, except those of a barrel length shorter than 25 inches (635mm) and of caliber greater than 12 gauge (.729" or 18.5 MM).
so its like apples to oranges as far as their gun laws go vs the USA , the UK allows much more for example even with out a "right to bear arms" but that sure as hell does not stop the cartel from rolling around with ma duces anti tank tow launchers and legit automatics but the citizenry of mexicos possession use and availability of fire arms is vastly limited and it treat it like its comparable to our 2nd amendment is disingenuous at best but i will say their regulations of "shotguns" seems to be semi comparable but we can own punt guns and 10 gauges and they cant



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:01 AM
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The is ONE guns store in the entire country where you can legally purchase firearms in mexico

en.m.wikipedia.org...

What a sh thole



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:01 AM
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Already said so deleted.

edit on 20-11-2019 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Thank the U.S. government for that. The war on drugs has had the opposite affect of what was supposedly (emphasis on "supposedly") intended.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

To a very strong degree, that is probably how these cartel's got there hands on all this military level ordnance and other equipment, that and the fact they own the police and half the army in Mexico.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The right to bear arms is part of the Mexican Constitution, not sure where this lady is getting the idea that it's illegal to own guns there.


Wrong. In Mexico you can only get a small caliber handgun after passing a rigorous and expensive background check, and then you have to leave your gun at home... Colin Noir, the person whom posted that video states these facts after Miller made her statements.



By Kate LinthicumStaff Writer
May 24, 2018
3 AM
Reporting from Mexico City —

The only gun shop in all of Mexico is behind a fortress-like wall on a heavily guarded military base.

To enter the Directorate of Arms and Munitions Sales, customers must undergo months of background checks — six documents are required — and then be frisked by uniformed soldiers.

The army-run store on the outskirts of Mexico City embodies the country’s cautious approach to firearms, and a visit here illustrates the dramatically different ways two neighboring countries view guns, legally and culturally.

Like the 2nd Amendment in the United States, Mexico’s Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, but it also stipulates that federal law “will determine the cases, conditions, requirements and places” of gun ownership. For many Mexicans, even those who love guns, the thought of an unfettered right to owning one is perplexing.
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There is only one gun store in all of Mexico. So why is gun violence soaring?

Mexican style gun control is what socialists/democrats/liberals want for the U.S.




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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

You responded faster than i could write it, and before i could post an excerpt and link to a "liberal newspaper" showing the one gun shop in all of Mexico or their rigorous gun control laws.




edit on 20-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

BTW, that "liberal newspaper", which tries to put the fault of Mexican gun violence on the U.S. gun laws,, is leaving out that those weapons the Mexican drug cartels got from the U.S. are part of the firearms that are part of the Fast and Furious scandal, in which the Obama administration allowed straw buyers to buy these firearms, whom they knew would sell these guns to drug cartels. Also, for some "unexplained reason", those firearms were not chipped as they should have been...


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American firearms are directly driving the violence, although U.S. appetites for drugs and rampant corruption among Mexican officials also play a role. About 70% of guns recovered by Mexican law enforcement officials from 2011 to 2016 were originally purchased from legal gun dealers in the United States, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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There is only one gun store in all of Mexico. So why is gun violence soaring?



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What is "Fast and Furious"?

"Fast and Furious" is the name ATF assigned to a group of Phoenix, Arizona-area gun trafficking cases under Project Gunrunner that began in fall of 2009. It's the largest of several known operations in which ATF employed gunwalking, involving more than 2,000 weapons, including hundreds of AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles and .50 caliber rifles. According to sources who worked directly on the case, the vast majority of guns were not tracked and Mexico's government was not fully informed of the case. The ATF Special Agent in Charge of the operation was Bill Newell.
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A primer on the "Fast and Furious" scandal

I also have to wonder how stupid the gun grabbers think informed Americans are...
The large majority of firearm deaths in Mexico involve full automatic firearms, which in the U.S. are illegal.



Oct 2, 2019

Ever wonder where Mexican drug cartels are getting all their weapons? After all, since 1972, the most power rifle that you can buy in the country is a .22 caliber weapon. Yet, Mexican drug cartels have grenades, grenade launchers, and fully automatic guns. We have been collecting some quotes on where Mexico gets its guns.

Most cartels buy in bulk, and the weapons are coming from places like Nicaragua and other South American countries. Also Asia and some from the Middle East,” a Tijuana-based police authority who requested anonymity explained. “And, another factor is the CNC machines making uppers in clandestine shops in Mexico.
These kinds of guns — the auto versions of these guns — they are not coming from El Paso,” [Ed Head, a firearms instructor in Arizona who spent 24 years with the U.S. Border Patrol] said. “They are coming from other sources. They are brought in from Guatemala. They are brought in from places like China. They are being diverted from the military. But you don’t get these guns from the U.S.”
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Where does Mexico really get its guns?




edit on 20-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment and correct comment & excerpt.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:32 AM
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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:37 AM
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The cartels of Juarez, Mexico, are at war with a group of Mormons,




posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:41 AM
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Texas chiming in...no problem, we have enough buried by backhoe in 12 green pic w/ endcaps....enough for anyone needing guns and ammo, we keep the holographic sit3s on em....tr 3 at Amazon for 75 bucks stands up to a 44 mag 6 inch or a 45.70

In the area just ask, in Texas they're cheaper than dirt gunstores



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: AttitudeProblem

That's from 2012... at a time when Obama was allowing the sale of firearms from the U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico to use it as an excuse to implement more gun control laws in the U.S...

Again...


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What is "Fast and Furious"?

"Fast and Furious" is the name ATF assigned to a group of Phoenix, Arizona-area gun trafficking cases under Project Gunrunner that began in fall of 2009. It's the largest of several known operations in which ATF employed gunwalking, involving more than 2,000 weapons, including hundreds of AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles and .50 caliber rifles. According to sources who worked directly on the case, the vast majority of guns were not tracked and Mexico's government was not fully informed of the case. The ATF Special Agent in Charge of the operation was Bill Newell.
...

A primer on the "Fast and Furious" scandal

I also have to wonder how stupid the gun grabbers think informed Americans are...
The large majority of firearm deaths in Mexico involve full automatic firearms, which in the U.S. are illegal.



Oct 2, 2019

Ever wonder where Mexican drug cartels are getting all their weapons? After all, since 1972, the most power rifle that you can buy in the country is a .22 caliber weapon. Yet, Mexican drug cartels have grenades, grenade launchers, and fully automatic guns. We have been collecting some quotes on where Mexico gets its guns.

Most cartels buy in bulk, and the weapons are coming from places like Nicaragua and other South American countries. Also Asia and some from the Middle East,” a Tijuana-based police authority who requested anonymity explained. “And, another factor is the CNC machines making uppers in clandestine shops in Mexico.
These kinds of guns — the auto versions of these guns — they are not coming from El Paso,” [Ed Head, a firearms instructor in Arizona who spent 24 years with the U.S. Border Patrol] said. “They are coming from other sources. They are brought in from Guatemala. They are brought in from places like China. They are being diverted from the military. But you don’t get these guns from the U.S.”
...

Where does Mexico really get its guns?



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The large majority of firearm deaths in Mexico involve full automatic firearms, which in the U.S. are illegal.


good point .



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: AttitudeProblem

BTW, another point I wanted to make is. That source "vice" is very "progressive/liberal/socialist." Heck, that's the first thing the narrator says.

They are one of the left-wing sources which have been making false claims about POTUS Trump and about many Republicans. I am not a fan of Mitt Romney, but unless real evidence is shown and not just claims I find it difficult to believe these claims about Mormons being involved with the drug cartels.

Mormons have to abide by very strict laws. They don't even drink "coca cola". Any dark drinks, dark teas, coffee, tobacco and alcohol, etc are prohibited to Mormons. However, selling these products is up to the discretion of the members. If you think Elohim/God is okay with you selling these products (coca cola, coffee, alcohol and such) then that's between that particular member and Elohim/God. But, illegal substances are a big no no for Mormons. Any person whom claims to be a Mormon and sells drugs is not a Mormon.

Of note, try to find a video of "Vice" proclaiming that every innocent Mexican civilian murdered by the Mexican cartels are part of the cartels... They will NEVER claim this. Unfortunately this Mormon family was traveling through a region frequented by the Mexican cartels, what part of Mexico isn't? They might have been confused as a rival gang, but the Mexican cartels don't ask you whom you are, and whether or not you are a rival. They shoot you even if you are innocent. They don't care for the thousands of innocent lives they take each year. This time around they murdered part of a family of American-Mexicans.








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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 03:29 AM
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Why is it that when known bad people of the rape pillage and plunder variety are just around the corner there is always someone who will say lay down you arms and maybe they will go away ? That is exactly what the gun grabbers are suggesting.

bearingarms.com...


California has the most strict gun control laws in the nation. If gun control were going to stop shootings of any stripe, it would do so in California. After all, the even limit which handguns can be purchased within the state and have a complete assault weapon ban. Surely they’d be immune to the perceived epidemic of mass shootings, right?

Well, not quite.

You see, over the course of just three days, the state had three high-profile shootings. All of them met the definition of a mass shooting the media seems to prefer.



The problem with Giffords’s statement, though, is that California has virtually every bit of gun control her group pushes. They have universal background checks and red flag laws. They have assault weapon bans and magazine restrictions. They have all of it.

bearingarms.com...
Axe-Wielding Burglar Meets Shotgun-Holding Homeowner I will let you guess what happened ! hahah Once again no shots were fired and our little darlin was apprehended only two blocks away by police.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Vice is very liberal/progressive but they do put out some good stuff despite some bias.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 08:23 PM
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Do not look up 'Mexican shotgun' on the Urban Dictionary.



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