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Obama now the voice of reason

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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Phage

People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system




Pretty sure they did actually, trump was voted in to take down the status quo, you know stick it to the deep state , how can you in your right mind argue otherwise?




Draining the swamp doesn't fundamentally tear down our system, i.e. full blown socialism that the Dems want.




posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: panoz77

Yes people don't want the system torn down, they want it restored.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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I can’t believe at this late date we’re seeing a chicken-egg argument trying to justify folks being horrible.

No, people don’t automatically become what they’re accused of being, because in some cases, they were justly accused.

The problem in this discussion, just as in many similar discussions, is that abstract, rhetorical arguments go unchallenged.

“The left” does this. “Trump supporters” do that. Yes, groups have recognizable qualities, but these arguments are BS in general SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they premise vague generalities and then make specific even granular conclusions.

All Christians are not good people. All atheists are not bad people. All [anything] is not [anything.]

Absolutist statements are the tools of extremism. And what we are all here opposed to (at least, those of us who do not serve it directly) is extremism.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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Former President Barack Obama used an appearance at a high-dollar donor confab on Friday to urge the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls to "pay some attention to where voters actually are," warning them about going so far on certain policies that they become out of step with voters.


That's effing rich.

Obama said nothing to me, and I'm a voter.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66


No, people don’t automatically become what they’re accused of being, because in some cases, they were justly accused.

In some cases yes, but the vast majority of people who voted for Trump aren't racist, they don't hate women, they don't hate nature, they don't hate minorities, etc. To constantly portray them that way is to push them into a corner and they slowly become what they are accused of because they start to believe it themselves or they gain such a hatred of the people attacking them they adopt hateful positions. The left is truly creating the monster they seek to destroy and they cannot even see that... I can assure you this relentless shaming of men has created a high number of misogynists who've had enough of it. I try very hard to not let this happen to me, I will always show women respect and treat them fairly so long as I get the same in return. We just need to stop with all the hate and extremist politics, Obama is absolutely right, but unfortunately that idea isn't woke enough for my generation or gen z.
edit on 19/11/2019 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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Sweet Jeezus. If that aint a sign of the Apocolyspse then i dunn o what is.
🤣😂😅



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You don't see how this behavior can be detrimental?

What about all the talk that white folks are racist just for being white no matter how hard they try not to be racist, it's just something they are because they are white and they don't even know it?

Hear that enough, and what do you think that does to a person? What are they going to say after a while, they're either going to be beaten down by it, or they're going to say, "F*** it! If I'm going to be racist no matter what, then why do I even bother to try?"

Some are going to get pushed so far, they will become what the people talking about racism fear. They'll get pushed over the edge although most won't. They'll simply stop caring anymore and stop even bothering to try.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I know that about Trump supporters. I think every somewhat reasonable person knows that as well. Still, my point is that the microcosm of the Internet social media commentaries are absolutist. By the same token, all Democrats are not socialists, baby-killers, unpatriotic, etc. etc.

The relentless shaming of men? Sure, okay. If being called a name causes someone to act inappropriately, then they were looking for an excuse. We’re big boys. Haven’t the right-partisans been telling the left-partisans for years to “get over it”?

Six in one, half a dozen in the other.

Yes, we need to know, and we need to keep saying, that the extremist/absolutist politics is nothing more than the corporate media programming that all of us are assaulted with on a daily basis.

Obama is right, and I haven’t said that in years.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

And all the talk about Black folks are lazy, hoodlums, drug-dealers living in inner-city slums is right and fair?

According to your thesis here, as the Black community heard that for DECADES from White Americans, then White Americans are the cause of hoodlumism, drug deals and slums?

Perhaps the pendulum is swinging back. ANd I’m the first to tell you I’m beginning to hate the PC crap with a passion, but this comes from “the left and the right” ... I’d be happy to see an acknowledgement that we are all human, we all have flaws, that talking about people in groups or purely as groups is soul-crushing and mind-numbing, and that we all have to start resisting having our innate primate xenophobia constantly irritated into the disparate, dissipated crappy mess that our country has currently been pushed to.

BY THE SIDES NOT THE MIDDLE.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I know that about Trump supporters. I think every somewhat reasonable person knows that as well.

The key word there is reasonable, and judging by the reaction to what Obama said, most dems aren't very reasonable or moderate. And that's the core issue here, most people on the left are sucked into the same herd mentaility which is perpetuated by the MSM.


The relentless shaming of men? Sure, okay. If being called a name causes someone to act inappropriately, then they were looking for an excuse.

If it were just name calling and just a one time thing you would absolutely have a point, but it's far more than that now. These SJW narratives are seeping into all forms of media and it's constantly reinforced by the MSM, and most talk shows are filled to the brim with it. It's so bad that comedians can no longer make real comedy, instead it's all about making some social point. Everywhere I look I see this dumb messaging being propagated by woke corporations, it's in movies and tv, it's in advertisements, it's constantly repeated by politicians, etc.


Yes, we need to know, and we need to keep saying, that the extremist/absolutist politics is nothing more than the corporate media programming that all of us are assaulted with on a daily basis.

Glad we can agree on that at least.
edit on 19/11/2019 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 09:29 AM
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There is an explanation for this Behaviour by Zer0bama......


The “Hero”:


These are people who set fires just to rescue the victims. The “hero” thrives on excitement and attention..........



Chasing Fires



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

You don't want Trump suporters to be classified as racist because of the actions of a few, but you're glad to speak about millions of Democrats based on the actions of a few?



The only way to stop or at least slow the divide-and-conquer programming of media is to try to stop letting ourselves be caught up in the false dichotomy of the extremist "sides". We aren't going to stop the media, we aren't going to stop TPTB from doing their thing what we have a hope of doing is taking responsibility on an individual level for what we say, act on and believe.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

When I talk about that, I talk about it being a culture that is not exclusive to blacks. I know because I have relatives by marriage who live it. Put them in the inner city and they'd fit right in sadly, but they aren't blacks. I also know it because I taught inner city and saw the same culture regardless of race.

There are also markers to the culture of success and those markers look the same regardless of race, but in that same culture I references earlier, it is sometimes referenced as "acting white" because so many white folks exhibit those cultural markers, but what is missed is that Asians exhibit those markers even better than whites do. They just don't get as called out for it because there are less of them overall.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You're talking about your individual perceptions and beliefs. We are discussing cultural tropes.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I guess he never meant for his division to go this far. He can see the forest for the trees, but Obama - along with the media - are fully responsible for this far left shift that's gone so far it has pushed democrats and even liberals into the independent and republican side of the pendulum.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carsforkids


What does this even mean?


I think that the Republican party has been superseded by Trump to the same extent that the Democratic party is being superseded by leftists. But pendulums do tend to swing.


The difference is that one is a cult of personality. Nothing more. Trump is not a Republican. Trump is...Trump.


The right still carry the same views. The left went so far left they fell off the pendulum. Huge difference. There's nothing Trump has brought up that hasn't been a want or need for the republicans in the past. But the left have brought many different things that they didn't support or think about 6 to 10 years ago.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Phage

How the hell is coal impractical?



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: carsforkids

Jfk experienced adversity. So did lincoln.

Trump hasnt faced that much yet, if at all.

An unbiased media would be able to report facts as facts and lies as lies.

Calling something fake doesnt make it real


Don't be a #ing wanker. He doesn't have to be shot in the head to face adversity.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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Chaoticorder, you deserve a medal for your postings on this thread. great work.

the democrats / leftists are believing their own lies, and the media is so out of touch they can't see that. really they're the same bunch of people.

I just can't understand how so many in the USA watch and believe the news media here.

Obama, like Clinton, realized that you have to make some appeal to the middle, no matter how far left you are. that's partly why they won the Presidency and Hillary didn't.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Sheye

I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why the left loves Islam so much. It's because they're exactly the same...

Destroy or convert is their only acceptable strategy.

Jaden



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