Obama now the voice of reason

a reply to: Analbumcover

Lol

This thread went from Obama to Trump in record time.

Not even surprised.

That's funny, I wouldn't even have noticed.

a reply to: Analbumcover

Do you disagree with what Obama said?

Both sides are transmogrifying into the goofy caricatures the opposition paints them as. It really is quite something to behold. It's like peering over the shoulder of one of those artists down on the boardwalk drawing kids with big buck teeth and dumbo ears.

It's funny that the new left thinks Obama is now too moderate. The problem is that they don't even know what moderate means. It's not an ideology, it is a temperament. It means you occupy a space where you can still reason and compromise with the person across the table from you. You sort out the ideologies after you've reached a balance of temperament and an understanding of one another.

This is what has happened in many of the countries the left cites as magnificent examples of socialist policy and then completely miss the mark on how those policies came to be and why they work. Instead they are hellbent on following the Venezuelan authoritarian model. What both Trump and the new left represent is an authoritarian temperament. Which means they think either everything breaks their way or there will be hell to pay. These people should never hold an office of power. Ever. Because there will be hell to pay. For everyone. Whether you're left, right or center.

originally posted by: sooth
Both sides are transmogrifying into the goofy caricatures the opposition paints them as. It really is quite something to behold.

This is a very true and important point. When a person is repeatedly told they are uncaring nature hating authoritarians that support a male patriarchy, then that person will tend to move towards becoming that, because they think "well if that's what people want to call me than maybe I should just be that". The same applies to the SJW's and far-leftists, by being constantly told they are overemotional children that always virtue signal and judge everyone around them, they slowly shift into that way of being. I try my absolute hardest to prevent this from occurring to me, I've always hated racists and I've always had a deep concern for the condition of our planet, in all my time on ATS for always fought for what I feel is true and righteous, to expose corruption and criticize our leaders when they do the wrong thing.

Before Trump was elected I wrote several threads which were highly critical of him, such as this one titled Donald Trump: Imperialistic Authoritarian? However it quickly became quite apparent to me that the truly corrupt and deceptive scumbags were the people in the "deep state" trying to ensure Trump is removed from power despite having done nothing wrong. And I will always stand on the side I feel stands for truth and justice, even if it's the unpopular side, even if people are programmed to believe it's the evil side, even if my friends and family cannot accept it, I will always be loyal to the side I feel is shining light on corruption and exposing the creatures running this world from behind the scenes.

Do not be mistaken, we are still the counterculture, we are still the anti-establishment, we are still outside the mainstream, and we will always run against the grain, against lies and manufactured morality. I don't doubt most of them [on the left] have good intentions but mix that with naivety and the path to hell is easily paved. There is saying I recently heard: "Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works".

Being Anti-Establishment is Now Trendy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Words do have meanings, after all.

And your words seem to mean less and less daily.

You do that, no one else. You have joined the anti-trump train and solidified your opinion.

You have joined that team, you don't care about the country, you care about your feelings, and what the news tells you to feel.

It's sad to see ignorance so blatantly on display, but, well here we are.

Lets just carry on attacking the POTUS because you don't like him, lets throw out all the policies you agree with simply out of spite. While were at it, lets cut off our noses, damn thing gets in the way of the face.

Yeah, words do indeed have meaning, and yours have shown your bias.

Hope you have a beautiful sunrise on the islands.

a reply to: Veryolduser

You missed the bit where the republican was making love to a pig whilst saying noone else could

a reply to: carsforkids

Jfk experienced adversity. So did lincoln.

Trump hasnt faced that much yet, if at all.

An unbiased media would be able to report facts as facts and lies as lies.

Calling something fake doesnt make it real

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

He's right. You have to do what Obama did. Talk as a moderate and then when you are in office you can do whatever you want, but never publicly admit it.

Hes right... I'm afraid trump and gang have given us boomers enough entertaining excitement the last three years to last us the rest of our days on this earth. We need a moderate.
But, I think if it's a choice between a far left wack job or trump, we are gonna end up with the far left wackjob. If it was a different republican though the lefty could very well lose.

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: carsforkids

Jfk experienced adversity. So did lincoln.

Trump hasnt faced that much yet, if at all.

An unbiased media would be able to report facts as facts and lies as lies.

Calling something fake doesnt make it real

Yes they did.

Do you have better word for it?

That's not even information.

Okay, good to know.

a reply to: dawnstar

Trump is the most moderate of them all. So I don't know if you actually believe what you are saying. If you want a moderate Trump is it.

originally posted by: mugger

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Extremism divides; moderation unifies.

Trump is an extremist, Warren/Sanders/etc. are extremists.

Most of us, by definition, are not extremist.

Not sure how fixing our trade deals, pulling troops out of middle east, out of Paris accord, strengthening our border and economy is extreme?

Fascinating. Trump has accomplished exactly none of that list. Behold the power of corporate media.

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: Veryolduser

You missed the bit where the republican was making love to a pig whilst saying noone else could

Oh you! jpeg

Let me get this correct your response to making it illegal to have sex with farm animals is republicans are doing it while saying it should be illegal? but that liberals wanting to make it legal is ok.

That’s what your running with? Didn’t put much thought process into it did you! Even if a republican did the point is moot because it’s still wrong. It’s an indefensible point where nobody should have sex with farm animals the joke is that moderates try and meet in the middle thinking it’s best to be bipartisan. I could flip it around and still the joke would be on moderates.

Here’s an example

Republicans: to stop mass shooters let’s give guns to all children in elementary schools.
Democrats: we should ban children from access to guns
Moderates: we should give guns only to the minority children since most mass shooters are white

Obama must have been reading social media like ATS, etc.

Looks like someone in the Democratic Part woke up to what they have done to themselves since the day Trump won the election. Actually, before, I was wrong.

Hillary inadvertently got the ball rolling with her "Deplorable" speech that she actually gave several times before it was caught on tape/released to the public.

From that day on, until this very day - Democratic Party leadership set the standard of humiliating any and all supporters of Trump and the 60+ million people who voted for him. The progressive/liberals now had official permission to say the most vile things they could think of about conservatives.

For more than three years, Congresspeople at the state and federal levels have called Trump voters/supporters racists/sexists/homophobes/transphobes/Islamophobes. Over and over and over. The Democratic Party masses joined them as the leadership set the example.

Yes conservatives said some nasty things to in response, but I don't recall Republican Party leadership calling average everyday voters the most nasty and vile things they could think of.

During this time period, progressive/liberals have felt empowered to dox (socially bully), destroy business, get people fired, beat up people for wearing the wrong hat. They have rioted on campuses, beat people. destroyed property when an INVITED speaker with a conservative point of view came to speak to prevent them from speaking.

It seems that so far only Obama has seen the extreme damage this has done to the party as a whole.

Not just the beatings and humiliation of conservatives for just being conservative -
but the "democratic socialist" policies that will bankrupt the country quickly or force a seventy percent tax rate the moment the rich are quickly bled dry -
and the campaign to destroy the second amendment and take away rights, conservatives see that once one right is taken away, soon they all will be.

Then you add the extreme policing of speech with the PC movement, who are all members of the Democratic Party and open haters of conservative people.
They are so absurdly nuts they won't allow people to talk about gender without demanding that men who identify as women,
should be allowed to compete in athletics as women,
and that biological straight men must sleep with them or they are transphobic and mean.

The progressive/liberals who vote for the Democratic Party have not just encouraged PC speech they have taken to destroying people for not using PC speech and destroy violators of their "law" of PC speech.

Yes the public is getting disgusted and after over 3 years of this,
well the damage may be permanent among those who feel hated, reviled, spit on and beaten down.


Especially after watching what the Democratic Party has done to the person they voted into office, RELENTLESS OPEN HATRED and relentless anal exams of his life, his wife, and even his children. Then spewing relentless hatred at voters, not smart.

In my eyes the Democratic Party has become the party of hate because of all of the above, I can't think of a single positive thing they have done since Hillary's deplorable speech. Just hate, and even encourage violence against conservatives, or at least look the other way about it.

originally posted by: Sheye
Not even one of their precious royalty and his words could dissuade the rabid attacks of the extreme left. Haters wanna hate.. they don’t want an olive branch and a plan to improve relationships and society.

It's not even about haters wanting to hate sadly.

In their worldview, what they're doing is moral and virtuous. They're being the good ones. It's like the twisted version of that Bible verse where you are to call out sin where you see it except they've taken it to the extreme both in what their versions of sin are and in calling it out.

They only think they know what Puritans are, but if they looked in a mirror, they'd see real ones.

a reply to: Phage

Trump is a centralist. The left has to ‘out left’ each other to show that they are more woke than their circle . Hating trump is an essential piece of wokemess.

Trump stands up to the bullies that are the left. If Trump was in charge of Chick-fil-A, instead of stopping donations to 2 Christian based charities, he would have increased the number of Christian charities he donated too. That’s why the far left hates him and that why the rest of America likes him.

a reply to: ketsuko

Lol .. now the witches are the puritans???

Okay... sanity lost, they should just quarantine the states. It might be contagious.

Also just imagine if in response to being called far right, people created a hashtag #TooFarRight, to proudly display how extreme they are in their political position. The left would go insane and criticize them six ways from Sunday, going on about how far out politics is becoming the norm and it's very bad for society, etc. But when some leftists do it's woke and empowering, it's a hip trendy statement to show your defiance, etc. Absolute brain dead nonsense.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Too late... the Dems are crazy... All the lobbying and Justice Dems nutties, moved them to the extreme left.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

Lol .. now the witches are the puritans???

Okay... sanity lost, they should just quarantine the states. It might be contagious.

Literally? No. They aren't Puritan Christians, but Puritanism among Christians has been dead for a long, long time.

But you could look up the definition of the word puritanical which means adopting strict moral behavior and recognize SJW behavior for what it is -- a code that encourages practitioners to call out the faults of their fellows to enhance their own morality in the group.

The new scholarship for SJW professors isn't to make new discoveries for themselves, it's to examine the great discoverers of the past and find ways in which they weren't moral enough for the modern world. Who was racist? Who was sexist? who was homophobic? And the "great" accomplishment is to then work to banish the greats of the past because they weren't woke in accordance with modern puritanical values.

I had laugh last night when some scientist on a Science show said, "We did .... in the past 50 years! Just imagine what we'll do in the next 50." My cynical side said that we'll be made to forget it all because those scientists are all a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobes who were likely white, so it completely negates what they did and we should forget them, so no one will teach what they discovered until a woman, a POC, or a gay person re-discovers that knowledge making it virtuous to know again.