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Obama now the voice of reason

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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:29 AM
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A couple of days ago Obama decided to share his opinion on the state of the democratic party, warning them not to move to far to the left because it will push away moderate voters.


Former President Barack Obama used an appearance at a high-dollar donor confab on Friday to urge the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls to "pay some attention to where voters actually are," warning them about going so far on certain policies that they become out of step with voters.
Obama said that some Democrats are listening too closely to liberal Twitter and progressive activists, specifically singling out issues like health care and immigration and, in what amounted to a stern warning to the 2020 field, bluntly said that voters are "less revolutionary than ... interested in improvement" and warned about turning off certain segments of the electorate by not being "rooted in reality."

Obama warns 2020 candidates about getting out of step with voters: Be 'rooted in reality'


As expected, the reaction to these statements by most left leaning commentators was to turn against him and call him a corporate stooge or a boomer, which is obviously a completely counterproductive and simple minded response (I'm a millennial btw). Instead of realizing that the dems will lose the next election precisely because they have gone too far left, they instead create a #TooFarLeft hashtag to proudly proclaim how far left they are, and ostracize the candidates such as Tulsi, the only rational and moderate candidate that isn't sucked into the far left mentality.

It turns out Obama has actually been giving this warning for a couple of months now, back in October he took aim at the self-righteous and judgmental attitude that is spreading throughout the left:


Mr Obama told the audience: "I get a sense among certain young people on social media that the way of making change is to be as judgemental as possible about other people.

"If I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because 'Man did you see how woke I was? I called you out!'"

"That's enough," he said. "If all you're doing is casting stones, you are probably not going to get that far."

Mr Obama added that "people who do really good stuff have flaws".

Barack Obama challenges 'woke' culture


Luckily, these fools wont take his advice, they will only double down on their political extremism and make it easier for Trump to be re-elected, because Obama is absolutely right, most people don't want to tear down the system. Obama is trying to tell them how to win and they can't even see that, instead they decide to mock and demonize him regardless of all he has done for the dems. Even some of the more center-left commentators on YouTube are attacking Obama for these comments and labeling him as a sellout, which just further proves how far left the dems have gone.
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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:36 AM
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because Obama is absolutely right, most people don't want to tear down the system

Trump :


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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:37 AM
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We can't say as of yet if Obama's advice will be taken or not. I think it really depends on the young voters as they are the ones with the most radical at the moment.

I did see a poll saying that Buttigeig is a front runner in Iowa and is rising faster than other candidates though. He seems to be far more centered than Warren and Sanders but more progressive than Biden. I say he's a good pick.


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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: Phage

People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system, they voted for him to build it back up to create a strong healthy system based on capitalism, the system that allowed the west to rise to power and make more people wealthy than any other system in history.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:42 AM
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People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system,

He lied?

No. They voted for change. The same reason they voted for Obama.

Change is inevitable. Being a reactionary is swimming upstream. Trump, and the tea party, are reactionaries.

I think that the Democrats are tending too far left. I know that the Republicans are too far Trump.

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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:44 AM
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Not even one of their precious royalty and his words could dissuade the rabid attacks of the extreme left. Haters wanna hate.. they don’t want an olive branch and a plan to improve relationships and society.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Phage

People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system




Pretty sure they did actually, trump was voted in to take down the status quo, you know stick it to the deep state , how can you in your right mind argue otherwise?



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Qbama's warning came to late plain and simple. They should've been
afraid of committing the whole party to where people like Cortez
wanted to go. But Nancy caved back what, 7 months ago I believe it
was?


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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Phage

People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system




Pretty sure they did actually, trump was voted in to take down the status quo, you know stick it to the deep state , how can you in your right mind argue otherwise?

This is nothing but deceptive wordplay, we both know very well that the type of change Trump promised is very different from the type of change the far left wants. They want to quite literally tear down the existing capitalist system and replace it with hard socialism. Trump didn't say he wanted to tear down the existing system, he said he wanted to make it great again and weed out the corruption. It doesn't matter how much you try to dance around this basic point, the fact remains the dems have moved very far left and are proposing radical changes that scare most moderates.
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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:53 AM
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he said he wanted to make it great again

Yup. Reactionary.
Bring back the buggy whip factories! And coal and stuff!



the fact remains the dems have moved very far left and are proposing radical changes that scare most moderates
Do you think Trump is a moderate Republican?

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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 01:55 AM
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If you say so, I thought the wording was very simple and straight to the point .



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:01 AM
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I think that the Democrats are tending too far left. I know that the Republicans are too far Trump.


What does this even mean? This is like saying I know the Christians are to far Jesus!


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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:06 AM
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What does this even mean?


I think that the Republican party has been superseded by Trump to the same extent that the Democratic party is being superseded by leftists. But pendulums do tend to swing.


The difference is that one is a cult of personality. Nothing more. Trump is not a Republican. Trump is...Trump.

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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
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he said he wanted to make it great again

Yup. Reactionary.
Bring back the buggy whip factories! And coal and stuff!

That's the other main thing that annoys me about these leftists, they truly seem to believe that Republicans stand for the complete opposite of everything they believe. If they care for the environment than Republicans must not care at all, if they want more wealth equality than republicans must want more inequality to make themselves richer.

This is nothing but a completely idiotic outlook on reality and politics. I simply believe that free market capitalism, based on the all the evidence I have looked at, is the best way to raise the highest number of people out of poverty, and it's also the system which offers the highest level of freedom and liberty with the least amount of nanny statism.

I also care very deeply for the environment, however I look at the facts instead of allowing fearmongering to dictate my conclusions about things such as CO2 emissions and nuclear energy. I've written extensive threads on these issues so I'm not going to get into it here. The point is, as Obama mentioned, the left is far too judgmental.

They have this picture in their head of what a typical Republican or conservative is like, and it's an extremely biased picture which neglects the facts of reality and avoids actually asking Republicans why they believe the things they believe. At some point I plan to write an entire thread dedicated to this subject and why I believe what I believe.
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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:29 AM
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I simply believe that free market capitalism,

With no regulation at all? Really? How do tariffs enter into that? Isn't that governmental interference? If you want to buy wine from the EU, you have to pay the US government 25% of what it cost you. Free market? Buy and sell from whom and to whom you wish?

And, to reiterate, I think that Democrats are leaning too far left. But, how can you reconcile Trump's policies with anything resembling a free market?

Pendulums do tend to swing and the word moderate became an epithet in politics some time ago.


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posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:31 AM
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Extremism divides; moderation unifies.

Trump is an extremist, Warren/Sanders/etc. are extremists.

Most of us, by definition, are not extremist.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Phage

People didn't vote for Trump to tear down the existing system




Pretty sure they did actually, trump was voted in to take down the status quo, you know stick it to the deep state , how can you in your right mind argue otherwise?

This is nothing but deceptive wordplay, we both know very well that the type of change Trump promised is very different from the type of change the far left wants. They want to quite literally tear down the existing capitalist system and replace it with hard socialism. Trump didn't say he wanted to tear down the existing system, he said he wanted to make it great again and weed out the corruption. It doesn't matter how much you try to dance around this basic point, the fact remains the dems have moved very far left and are proposing radical changes that scare most moderates.


Please forget the name calling. It isn't called for , for those of us that know what is really taking place.
Trump is sent to us from the above spirits of the unknown to make sleepy Americans aware that they been conned .



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:38 AM
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I didn't say with no regulations, I probably should have wrote semi-free market capitalism to be clear. I do believe in minimizing regulations however to ensure the market isn't hindered or overburden in a negative way.


But, how can you reconcile Trump's policies with anything resembling a free market?

Considering Trump has trimmed down the amount of regulations and reduced taxes, I'd say he's a pretty free market sort of guy, and he's certainly a capitalist. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:39 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Extremism divides; moderation unifies.

Trump is an extremist, Warren/Sanders/etc. are extremists.

Most of us, by definition, are not extremist.


Not sure how fixing our trade deals, pulling troops out of middle east, out of Paris accord, strengthening our border and economy is extreme?



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 02:40 AM
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I'd say he's a pretty free market sort of guy,
Only as far as it benefits him. But you didn't talk about how tariffs relate.


Considering Trump has trimmed down the amount of regulations
Indeed. Drill baby drill.
Science? We don't need no stinkin' science! Coal is good, no matter how impractical it is, it gets money for my campaign!





I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

I stated it quite clearly here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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