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posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: ScepticScot


That has not translated into higher prices for consumer goods. As the yuan continues to lose value we will not see those price increases. We haven't, and thats what "American tax payers" ever pay for tariffs.

Tariffs increase import costs. As an importer you can charge that cost to the Chinese. Importers often do and the Chinese can't afford not to.

China is very much paying for these tariffs.







Some of the cost may be borne by Chinese companies but the majority is going to hit US consumers and companies.

Tariffs are a drain on an economy , you will struggle to find a sane economist right or left who thinks otherwise.

Tariffs hit the US economy not just indirectly Imported end goods but also raw materials used in the american economy. Making those raw materials more expensive isn't going to make the US more competitive or 'bring back manufacturing'.




posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: projectvxn

I just gave a real world verifiable case where it does.


Buy your LEDs from Taiwan.

When I build LED lighting fixtures I use mainly American products or products from anti communist sources. I use American produced tantalum capacitors, Taiwanese resistors, photodiodes, and LEDs. I buy American transistors and Korean PCBs. Metals are manufactured in the US and plastic moldings and diffusers are Korean.

China isn't the beginning or end of the market.


People generally don't care where most there goods come from (some significant exceptions of course). If leds from Taiwan or Korea or where ever where as cheap at the required level of supply then they would be all ready supplying them.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

With this administration's plans add 4.1 trillion in debt plus 1.8 trillion projected budget this year along with previous increases in spending that the US is headed for insolvency. With just the added 4.1 trillion we were set to set to hit 97% GDP in another 7 years.

We are on track to fail harder than Trump's Taj Mahall.
edit on 17-11-2019 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Grimpachi

What are we supposed to do, capitulate to the commies while they steal from us and sell us dangerous products? Let them continue to spy on us?





Hard to say...



This though doesn't seem to be working...

Peace
Most likely it is.

The point is to bring parties to the table.

China has negative economic data all year long and the decline is a trend, not to mention recent outbreaks that affect their supply from non American resources, such as Pork haven't made things easier.

The only thing keeping china from pursuing is pride, they lost and they need help, so save face, admit defeat, agree to the US issues and get trade back up.


I think the pride issue is on both sides.

Showing those foreigners that the US won’t be taken advantage of, that you’re big and strong, that nobody’s going to laugh at you and get away with it. It’s “winning.” Even if you wind up losing.

Peace



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
Trump's Tariffs don't even cover the tax breaks.

The deficit this year jumped up 26%. The country can't take much more of this type of "winning."


Yet, many cheer on the Dem candidates pushing Medicare for all and the deficit that would place over America? Let's take baby steps before such dramatic propositions, please.

Fixing unfair trade practices will definitely pay off quicker. Yes, it is winning for America and her citizens.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: projectvxn

With this administration's plans add 4.1 trillion in debt plus 1.8 trillion projected budget this year and the 1.8 trillion in tax cuts along with previous increases in spending that the US is headed for insolvency. With just the added 4.1 trillion we were set to set to hit 97% GDP in another 7 years.

We are on track to fail harder than Trump's Taj Mahall.
He is talking about Trade solutions with china, not your US Gov Doom porn.

This exactly what the user is talking about, you people Reee, deflect to something entirely different, how about discussion a SOLUTION?

👏SOLUTION👏
👏SOLUTION👏
👏SOLUTION👏

How hard is that Grim? Okay, so I go first, in my ideological naive school girl views,

"Fixing trade with china in regards to Technology transfers and trade imbalances will create a new system that we both, as economic engines of the world, can benefit from, with which we can use gained capitals to start reducing the federal deficit in meaningful amounts" 🤓🤷‍♀️



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

I am not endorsing the Dems.

Dems are a fast poison the Trump Administration is slightly slower poison. Both lead to death.

Both should be called out shouted down and if necessary destroyed.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: CynConcepts

I am not endorsing the Dems.

Dems are a fast poison the Trump Administration is slightly slower poison. Both lead to death.

Both should be called out shouted down and if necessary destroyed.


100%



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Grimpachi

What are we supposed to do, capitulate to the commies while they steal from us and sell us dangerous products? Let them continue to spy on us?





Hard to say...



This though doesn't seem to be working...

Peace
Most likely it is.

The point is to bring parties to the table.

China has negative economic data all year long and the decline is a trend, not to mention recent outbreaks that affect their supply from non American resources, such as Pork haven't made things easier.

The only thing keeping china from pursuing is pride, they lost and they need help, so save face, admit defeat, agree to the US issues and get trade back up.


I think the pride issue is on both sides.

Showing those foreigners that the US won’t be taken advantage of, that you’re big and strong, that nobody’s going to laugh at you and get away with it. It’s “winning.” Even if you wind up losing.

Peace
You'll have to excuse me while I wipe the tears from my eyes after a good heartful laugh, not at your post, but your ill attempts at minimalizing and marginalizing the US.

That's fine though, it's expected of you to do so, because what else you got? Hmmm?

None of us asked to be born into the situations we are in, but I am entirely greatful of the life I've lived and currently have.

Why? Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the US is an economic engine of the world, that we are the foremost Military SuperPower and sole Global SuperPower, leading the world in political, cultural and scientific forces all across the domains and internationally abroad.

We are finally at a point where we face a "Near Peer Competitor" of our making and thus the topic of this thread, encompassing powerful nations capable of MAD and here you are...minimalizing, marginalizing.

All I can I say is, you're jelly, don't h8.
edit on 17-11-2019 by Arnie123 because: Heh, why not 😝🤑



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Buy your LEDs from Taiwan.


Home Depot, Lowes, True Value, Walmart, Sam's, Costco, Dollar General and a host of regional and national supermarket chains buy theirs from China. There isn't enough production in Taiwan to meet demand and even if there were enough demand they don't have the MOCVD machinery required to produce that many chips.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: projectvxn
Buy your LEDs from Taiwan.


Home Depot, Lowes, True Value, Walmart, Sam's, Costco, Dollar General and a host of regional and national supermarket chains buy theirs from China. There isn't enough production in Taiwan to meet demand and even if there were enough demand they don't have the MOCVD machinery required to produce that many chips.
EnviroLux LEDS, you're welcome.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Grimpachi

What are we supposed to do, capitulate to the commies while they steal from us and sell us dangerous products? Let them continue to spy on us?





Hard to say...



This though doesn't seem to be working...

Peace
Most likely it is.

The point is to bring parties to the table.

China has negative economic data all year long and the decline is a trend, not to mention recent outbreaks that affect their supply from non American resources, such as Pork haven't made things easier.

The only thing keeping china from pursuing is pride, they lost and they need help, so save face, admit defeat, agree to the US issues and get trade back up.


I think the pride issue is on both sides.

Showing those foreigners that the US won’t be taken advantage of, that you’re big and strong, that nobody’s going to laugh at you and get away with it. It’s “winning.” Even if you wind up losing.

Peace
You'll have to excuse me while I wipe the tears from my eyes after a good heartful laugh, not at your post, but your ill attempts at minimalizing and marginalizing the US.

That's fine though, it's expected of you to do so, because what else you got? Hmmm?

None of us asked to be born into the situations we are in, but I am entirely greatful of the life I've lived and currently have.

Why? Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the US is an economic engine of the world, that we are the foremost Military SuperPower and sole Global SuperPower, leading the world in political, cultural and scientific forces all across the domains and internationally abroad.

We are finally at a point where we face a "Near Peer Competitor" of our making and thus the topic of this thread, encompassing powerful nations capable of MAD and here you are...minimalizing, marginalizing.

All I can I say is, you're jelly, don't h8.


Yet he was replying to your post saying the only thing stopping China was pride.

I think in your frenzy of American exceptionalism you may have lost track of who was minimising and marginalizing.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the US is an economic engine of the world, that we are the foremost Military SuperPower and sole Global SuperPower, leading the world in political, cultural and scientific forces all across the domains and internationally abroad.


Political, cultural and scientific...?!?

Yeah...whatever. I like America, don't get me wrong, but this attitude....


Peace



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

I'm familiar with them, they are a niche producer and not nearly the size of the major manufacturers in the industry. I'm also fairly certain they're importing their LEDs as the SMT unit in their video is using a ribbon fed with pre-loaded chips and they aren't showing any MOCVD reactors in their production process.



edit on 17-11-2019 by AugustusMasonicus because: 👁❤🍕



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: Arnie123
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the US is an economic engine of the world, that we are the foremost Military SuperPower and sole Global SuperPower, leading the world in political, cultural and scientific forces all across the domains and internationally abroad.


Political, cultural and scientific...?!?

Yeah...whatever. I like America, don't get me wrong, but this attitude....


Peace
Good, because that's all me, i mean, its like totally in my Avatar.

American, American...."American" God I just love the way that sounds, doesn't sound great? I mean, in the future, when history looks back, American will be uttered in the same sentence as Global and Superpower, what glorious legacy! 🤗
edit on 17-11-2019 by Arnie123 because: Heh 😝



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Shift investment capital over to taiwan instead of China and Ill bet you that will change.

My company got away from China before the tariffs and we're a small cap start up.

edit on 11 17 2019 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

There is always more than one avenue.

I rely on piezoelectric rings that we had initially contracted out to Chinese companies. Our yield rate was on the extreme low end with capacitance and D33 being extremely divergent.

We switched to an American company and one from Great Britain. The British company won out with 98% yield rates. Can they produce at the same volume as the Chinese at the prices they were charging? No.

But the Brits can make a product that works consistantly. Despite the higher price, we are now operating with a lower cost of materials. We are also not supporting murderous commie scum.

You can get your polyfilms made elsewhere. Necessity is the mother of innovation.

edit on 11 17 2019 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: The GUT


China, without a doubt, is by far a much bigger threat than Russia.


Threat to what exactly?



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime

Probably 70% of the population outside of farming, will never know this. Hopefully President Trump will make it a formal big-deal when the actual trade agreement is signed with China.

Stupid Pelosi said one of her top priorities this year is to pass the US-CAN-Mex (USMCA) trade deal. Congress has only 11 more working days this year, and Schiff is keeping those 11 days reserved for the Impeachment circus.

The U.S. House is destroying the Democrat brand. Eventually Democrat voters will wake up and start calling in to Congress, demanding that they get back to working for THEM.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 07:05 PM
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One thing about farmers, is I know some of them; They work their butts off for peanuts and are slaves to the commodity markets. I am glad they are seeing some of this coming back to them.



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