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I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally. This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
it’s the lesser of two evils, but always the same two evils.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: TheRedneck
Just because both party hates a candidate doesnt mean the candidate would make a good president. I mean I imagine both parties would be strongly opposing someone as crazy as me if I decided to run... and they'd be quite right to do so.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Wow, that’s a convoluted justification for first past the post eh?
I disagree.
There’s no reason to create the “negation” system that you’re trying to sell. Clinton only “won” California because that’s the way California defines “winning” because first past the post was the English tradition.
The claim that the current system “protects” votes in smaller states is absurd on its face. California has 55 votes, Wyoming has three under the current system ... so your claim is that with a margin as low as 1% in any state, almost half the voters IN THAT STATE should be disenfranchised and THAT somehow magically protects the interests of smaller States?
No. The Founders left the manner of each States Electors TO that State. This is obviously a recognition of State sovereignty. If a State decides FPTP is inequitable, that State changes it. The only thing the current system protects is the hegemony of the two-party ‘system”
I don’t agree with you. I won’t agree with you. No matter how hard you try to spin.
originally posted by: GreenGunther
If it’s racist, how did America get a black president for 2 terms?
originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: RickinVa
I don't think anyone living in reality cares what democrats have to say because it's like they think of the most unintelligent thing they can think of and then blurt it out because they know the people living in that bubble are dumb enough to adjust to the idea and believe it.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
How could the Electoral College have been created as a racist establishment when the individual States didn't allow most black men to vote, along with women? (There might have been some northern states that allowed black businessmen to vote but I'm not sure.)
How was dis-empowerment of black voters 'established' into something in that time period of US history?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gothmog
Votes are tallied by Counties, not credited by Counties.
Counties do not count as a unit, they count as a number of individual votes.
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gothmog
Votes are tallied by Counties, not credited by Counties.
Counties do not count as a unit, they count as a number of individual votes.
And what did I say ?
You have just ad-libbed a direct quote from my post.
Why ?
originally posted by: LSU2018
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
How could the Electoral College have been created as a racist establishment when the individual States didn't allow most black men to vote, along with women? (There might have been some northern states that allowed black businessmen to vote but I'm not sure.)
How was dis-empowerment of black voters 'established' into something in that time period of US history?
Democrats NEVER think about the past, though ironically live in it when they want to. They seem to think the country started 10 years ago.
originally posted by: LanceCorvette
There is not and never has been a "popular vote" for the American President.
When anyone tells you "Hillary won the popular vote" - including Hilary herself, they're either lying or ignorant of the process.