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Bill Barr earlier tonight....something is about to POP!!!

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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Gryphon66
No true conservative, libertarian or liberal should be supporting an increase in the power and scope of the Executive.

That I see so many posts here in support of Barr’s nonsense, tells me that the strongest political faction here is AUTHORITARIAN.

Return all parts of the Federal Government to Constitutional limits.


You'll have to start with the House and Senate, they have expanded government overreach more than the Executive in recent years, by far.


I disagree considerably. As an obvious example, I point to the use of Executive Orders as workarounds to Enforce policy when the Congress doesn’t do what the President wants.


I figured you would.


Congress has overreached with laws and regulations that put excessive burdens on the People, to the point of violating the Constitution with the ACA with the help of the SC. They have no problem committing fraudulent acts on the People by "borrowing" SSI money, and refusing to eliminate the most destructive and dangerous words in the history of the USA - "And for other purposes". They get away with abusing their power daily with those four words. But I agree, EOs have become an issue in the last 30 years.




posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

So you’re a-ok with the abuse of Executive Orders then?

Since that’s the point you’re responding to?



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HalWesten

So you’re a-ok with the abuse of Executive Orders then?

Since that’s the point you’re responding to?


They are a tool that has been abused by several presidents. I looked at a list of the ones Obama did vs. the ones Trump has done so far and the conclusion I came to was Obama's were in general done to increase the power of the government, the ones Trump has done were in general done to return power to the People, mostly by overturning Obama's. So it's a catch 22 as far as I'm concerned. They have value but can be abused just like every other government action.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Gryphon66

You really should listen to the speech. That very statement you made tells me you did not.

Nobody suggests courts be packed with any sort of authoritarians. But, over the last few decades, the judiciary has overstepped its Constitutional boundaries. It is time for a recalibration based on the laws as they are written.



You hit the nail exactly on the head. Thanks for articulating it.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t disagree about the individual mandate, by the way ... it was a Republican idea that was part of every Republican “plan” for healthcare coverage since 1986 when the Heritage Foundation came up with it.

The Democrats, as usual, were dumb enough to trust the Republicans to support their own plan.

They didn’t, and shouldn’t have, and the Supreme Court ruled VERY marginally that the mandate was in reality a tax power, which is and was horsepuck.

I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring your argument ... but if you noticed back there I want our GOVERNMENT to be returned to Constitutional limits.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t disagree about the individual mandate, by the way ... it was a Republican idea that was part of every Republican “plan” for healthcare coverage since 1986 when the Heritage Foundation came up with it.

The Democrats, as usual, were dumb enough to trust the Republicans to support their own plan.

They didn’t, and shouldn’t have, and the Supreme Court ruled VERY marginally that the mandate was in reality a tax power, which is and was horsepuck.

I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring your argument ... but if you noticed back there I want our GOVERNMENT to be returned to Constitutional limits.


Yep, I did notice that. It's a good thing, we just need to get it to happen by electing the right people.




posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

Goodness, I’m surprised that was your interpretation ... it’s common when this point is raised.

The point is ... the Constitution is clear on 99% of what the government needs to be doing. Now, me personally, I would love to live in a land where we didn’t need even the nearly perfectly balanced government that our Constitution provides.

But the assertions against the Legislative Branch that are primary and implicit in Barr’s presentation here are NOT Constitutional and are NOT derived from the ideas of Locke, Polybius or Montesquieu .



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t disagree about the individual mandate, by the way ... it was a Republican idea that was part of every Republican “plan” for healthcare coverage since 1986 when the Heritage Foundation came up with it.

The Democrats, as usual, were dumb enough to trust the Republicans to support their own plan.

They didn’t, and shouldn’t have, and the Supreme Court ruled VERY marginally that the mandate was in reality a tax power, which is and was horsepuck.

I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring your argument ... but if you noticed back there I want our GOVERNMENT to be returned to Constitutional limits.


Yep, I did notice that. It's a good thing, we just need to get it to happen by electing the right people.



As soon as you find one of those, let me know.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I quoted Barr, gave the time stamp, and linked to Locke’s Second Treatise.

You gave me your opinion. Thanks, I disagree as stated.


I've watched the video. There was no point where Barr claimed or implied that the Executive branch has monarchical power.
He simply repeated what Locke said (paraphrasing) - that where there are no firm laws, in certain situations, the Executive branch has power to act and those powers are vested in one person.
edit on 16/11/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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So you’re a-ok with the abuse of Executive Orders then?


These child like attacks simply don't work on ATS.

Watch the video to better understand recent history.

One of the Powers of The President is to promulgate EOs.

Wow, the President has powers

Who knew?

Get a grip on reality man.

P



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

AG Barr is being Blackmailed like ALL the Rest in the Trump Administration , that's Fairly Obvious by Now . Question is , does he have the " Balls " Or NOT to see it Through to Actual Convictions Before Nov. 2020 ?
edit on 16-11-2019 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Gryphon66

A judge in Hawaii has ruled that your post is irrelevant.

But seriously, it is the courts have run amok for too long,
and need to be reigned back in.



Then the very last thing you want to do is pack them with authoritarians that think they speak for God, no?


Better god than the devil. I mean come on, why leave THAT out there?

😂


I would chose neither. Do you want a judge holding your life in their hands thinking that God or the Devil is whispering in their ear?

No.


Do you honestly think that doesn't happen now? No matter which part of the world we live in? Name me a place where gods don't rule.

We aren't that advanced yet.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Jonjonj

" Name me a place where gods don't rule. |

The ONLY " ONES " Heaven ....



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Gryphon66

A judge in Hawaii has ruled that your post is irrelevant.

But seriously, it is the courts have run amok for too long,
and need to be reigned back in.



Then the very last thing you want to do is pack them with authoritarians that think they speak for God, no?


Better god than the devil. I mean come on, why leave THAT out there?

😂


I would chose neither. Do you want a judge holding your life in their hands thinking that God or the Devil is whispering in their ear?

No.


Do you honestly think that doesn't happen now? No matter which part of the world we live in? Name me a place where gods don't rule.

We aren't that advanced yet.


There is a level of believing that a given power exists, and has a code of behavior, and then there’s the psychosis of believing that one’s own human interpretations are the actual Voice or Will of that Being.

That’s a vast difference in my mind.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Gryphon66

A judge in Hawaii has ruled that your post is irrelevant.

But seriously, it is the courts have run amok for too long,
and need to be reigned back in.



Then the very last thing you want to do is pack them with authoritarians that think they speak for God, no?


Better god than the devil. I mean come on, why leave THAT out there?

😂


I would chose neither. Do you want a judge holding your life in their hands thinking that God or the Devil is whispering in their ear?

No.


Do you honestly think that doesn't happen now? No matter which part of the world we live in? Name me a place where gods don't rule.

We aren't that advanced yet.


There is a level of believing that a given power exists, and has a code of behavior, and then there’s the psychosis of believing that one’s own human interpretations are the actual Voice or Will of that Being.

That’s a vast difference in my mind.


So you would ban all Jewish, Christian, Muslim judges then?



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: XCrycek
Something was about to pop ever since Trump became president, however nothing has of yet.
That's why you guys have that Q thread where you scrape the bottom by finding evidence of liberal crimes in Trump typos on Twitter.
Nothing significant will happen this time either.
Oh, is Hillary in jail by now?
Lol


So you are okay with politicians getting away with crimes, got it.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids

Got it cool!

America's Churchill I'm reminded of Churchill by his cadence.


How old are you?



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

AG Barr is being Blackmailed like ALL the Rest in the Trump Administration , that's Fairly Obvious by Now . Question is , does he have the " Balls " Or NOT to see it Through to Actual Convictions Before Nov. 2020 ?


So you do know only the left goes back to someone's high school looking for dirt, right? Only the left takes their self created social norms they pulled out of thin air in the last few years and applied it back 200 years, right?

I don't understand your point here, I don't think Barr cares about black mail, or are you suggesting he drank beer in high school?


edit on 17-11-2019 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 02:09 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

In a CBS News interview last Spring, Barr said he's at the end of his career, has no fear, and wants to drain the swamp using powers of legal authority only he has, as the nation's chief law enforcement officer.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 02:09 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

There is a level of believing that a given power exists, and has a code of behavior, and then there’s the psychosis of believing that one’s own human interpretations are the actual Voice or Will of that Being.

That’s a vast difference in my mind.


It seems you are describing the Middle East where everyone takes the word of the Koran and adds their own interpretation of it to include the horrendous actions we have seen there that makes Medieval evils look like kindergarten.



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