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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: shawmanfromny
It is insignificant to everyone except ardent Trump supporters. You guys are really starting to appear desperate.
Where’s the DOJ investigation of the Bidens? Surely if Mr. Trump were concerned enough about possible crimes of two American citizens that he tried to get a foreign power to investigate them, surely the DOJ has been working on this for what, two years?
What’s the results of that investigation? Because making ridiculous money is not a crime.
... and neither is being Biden’s son.
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
If Trump simply wanted an investigation done it would have been pretty simple to delegate that through the DOJ and his ambassadors using proper channels. Why did he insist the Zalenski go on CNN and announce it?
originally posted by: shawmanfromny
If Obama and his administration were concerned over Biden's role at Burisma, why wouldn't Trump be as well? Why would Burisma Holdings lobby for the Obama administration to drop the probe investigating these corruption allegations?
Ukraine's Burisma lobbied Obama administration to drop corruption probe on Hunter Biden:
Why would Sleepy Joe insist to this day that he and his son "didn't do a single thing wrong?"
Then he asked about the affairs of [owner of the Burisma Group holding] Nikolai Zlochevsky and Paul Manafort. I told what everyone knows in Ukraine. What is the " case of Zlochevsky reference
The GPU and NABU investigated 5 cases involving Zlochevsky. They concerned the purchase of the Kherson oil transshipment, obtaining special permits for gas production, sharing profits with Ukrgasvydobuvannya, and money laundering.
"Even under [Prosecutor General Viktor] Shokin was handed over to the NABU, where it was successfully closed, and the GPU left a splinter - money laundering and tax evasion. Money laundering failed then to prove. But tax evasion was proved, and Zlochevsky paid [a budget] a record amount of 180 million hryvnia. The Burisma Group was so scared that it removed the system of working with fictitious firms and paid significantly more taxes.
May a AR 15 wielding neighbor save you if your fascist left leaders manage to get any real power ! RBG will pass away from old age and treachery ! Then Trump will appoint his 3rd judge and the progressives war will be doomed to the history books of failures
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: shawmanfromny
It is insignificant to everyone except ardent Trump supporters. You guys are really starting to appear desperate.
Where’s the DOJ investigation of the Bidens? Surely if Mr. Trump were concerned enough about possible crimes of two American citizens that he tried to get a foreign power to investigate them, surely the DOJ has been working on this for what, two years?
What’s the results of that investigation? Because making ridiculous money is not a crime.
... and neither is being Biden’s son.
Trump opening the investigation into Biden isn't actually politically oriented, there are lots of Democrats that are trying out for that part.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: rickymouse
Trump opening the investigation into Biden isn't actually politically oriented, there are lots of Democrats that are trying out for that part.
I would agree with you if an investigation was all he aimed for.
I disagree because of his insistence on making it public on CNN. You can't say it wasn't political with that.
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump “wanted nothing less than [Ukrainian President Volodimyr] Zelensky to go to microphone and say ‘investigations, Biden and Clinton,’” a State Department official told congressional investigators conducting an impeachment probe.
The account of George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, was released as a transcript Thursday. It further underscored how specific the Trump administration’s alleged demands of the Ukrainian government were.
It also added to the growing body of evidence of a quid-pro-quo orchestrated by the White House, whereby military aid to Ukraine would be withheld until the Ukrainian president agreed to publicly say what Trump wanted him to.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66
The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.
Really?
Then the Mueller Report indictments of Papadopolis and those Russian Hackers didn't happen?
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: rickymouse
Trump opening the investigation into Biden isn't actually politically oriented, there are lots of Democrats that are trying out for that part.
I would agree with you if an investigation was all he aimed for.
I disagree because of his insistence on making it public on CNN. You can't say it wasn't political with that.
Trump only made a statement to CNN after the Democrats started to come after him about doing it.
originally posted by: Caractacus
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66
The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.
Really?
Then the Mueller Report indictments of Papadopolis and those Russian Hackers didn't happen?
Just a note, those indictments both of American Citizens and Russian Nationals were all for crimes under US Law and activities/victim within the United States.
Russia obviously did not launch an investigation.
The DOJ could not charge Russia for interfering in British Elections.
The US DOJ can ask for cooperation in gathering evidence, witnesses or even have a witness or suspect extradited to face trial in the USA for crimes committed under US law, but the USA has no authority to launch investigations in other countries, which by definition would be into crimes committed under a foreign countries laws.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: rickymouse
I am going to need a citation about this money you are talking about that would support the military for a few years and explain what it has to do with the Ukranian president going on CNN to announce investigations into the Bidens and mentioning Clinton.