Ambassador Vovanovitch Admits Obama's Admin Knew About Hunter's Corruption

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

Piece of ass for an investigation. That is a Quid-Quo-Pro folks!

Holmes said Sondland told Trump that Zelensky “loves your ass” to which Trump responded: “So, he’s gonna do the investigation?

www.foxnews.com...
We've got Trump now!

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

You can continue to believe that, or you can accept the FACT that there was indeed an attempt at helping Clinton beat Trump in 2016 - BY UKRAINE. Just accept the truth and move on, please. You look like a fool every time you deny that it happened.

Facts speak for themselves and require neither insults or ALL CAPS.

You mean like you used? Just ignore me and move on if you don't like it. I wasn't responding to you.

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

That treaty forbids involvement from private citizens like Giuliani.
It also requires precise documents be filed via DOJ to the Ministry of Justice in Ukraine and has limits and guidelines on how requests are communicated.
That treaty was structured to prevent exactly this type of illicit purported scheme.

If that treaty is in any way is relevant it is only as an example of how the treaty was violated via President Trump's demand.

a reply to: carewemust

I don't think it looks great for the President.

Sondland Updates Impeachment Testimony, Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo - Sondland said he was acting on Trump’s orders, aide told investigators
www.politico.com...

Gordon D. Sondland recounted how he told Ukrainian officials that military aid was tied to their commitment to investigations President Trump wanted.
www.nytimes.com...

Gordan Sondland will testify publicly on Wed.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I cant get past it.

Wth is wrong with Schiff's eyes? It's like he's seen a ghost. I see the invisible puppet strings being pulled though. The guy is full of :

originally posted by: JAY1980
What a piece of Schiff...

The Prez & Others Rippin' the Schiff Outta Shifty

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

That treaty forbids involvement from private citizens like Giuliani.
It also requires precise documents be filed via DOJ to the Ministry of Justice in Ukraine and has limits and guidelines on how requests are communicated.
That treaty was structured to prevent exactly this type of illicit purported scheme.

If that treaty is in any way is relevant it is only as an example of how the treaty was violated via President Trump's demand.

I'm looking at the treaty and "private citizen" is not in the text. "Private Parties" is, once, in Article 1(4) in the context of not being able to gather evidence or impede the execution of a request. However, in Article 2 that establishes how cooperation is handled, the Attorney General or his designee is authorized for the USA. Period. That is the only time it's addressed so your statement is incorrect.

Despite your obvious hatred for Trump, he did nothing that violated anything regarding the treaty or the phone call.

By the way, Trump actually said this in the phone call:

I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it.

Proper channels and procedures were followed. End of discussion.

a reply to: carewemust

We've got Trump now!

You mean again right?
It's not like they haven't been try'n even before he was elected.



They sure know how to make total asses out of their selves.
And their followers.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I cant get past it. Wth is wrong with Schiff's eyes? It's like he's seen a ghost. I see the invisible puppet strings being pulled though.

Those are the eyes of a psychopath.

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

That treaty forbids involvement from private citizens like Giuliani.
It also requires precise documents be filed via DOJ to the Ministry of Justice in Ukraine and has limits and guidelines on how requests are communicated.
That treaty was structured to prevent exactly this type of illicit purported scheme.

If that treaty is in any way is relevant it is only as an example of how the treaty was violated via President Trump's demand.

I'm looking at the treaty and "private citizen" is not in the text. "Private Parties" is, once, in Article 1(4) in the context of not being able to gather evidence or impede the execution of a request.

What was Giuliani doing?

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

That treaty forbids involvement from private citizens like Giuliani.
It also requires precise documents be filed via DOJ to the Ministry of Justice in Ukraine and has limits and guidelines on how requests are communicated.
That treaty was structured to prevent exactly this type of illicit purported scheme.

If that treaty is in any way is relevant it is only as an example of how the treaty was violated via President Trump's demand.

I'm looking at the treaty and "private citizen" is not in the text. "Private Parties" is, once, in Article 1(4) in the context of not being able to gather evidence or impede the execution of a request.

What was Giuliani doing?

What about Giuliani? He's not a private citizen, he's Trump's lawyer.

There are those who might think that this entire scandal is the biggest thing in US political history, and they might not be wrong.

However, it feels like this is so much bigger.

It really feels like we're at a crossroads as a nation.

Consider the following:

The MSM, now exposed in the Information Age as corrupt, deceitful and in the tank for Big Tech, the DNCRNC and Globalism (UN) have become the power. It has been taken away from the people and power given to the three just mentioned. All for profit.

There is no actual higher loyalty in the country among these politicians. They ALL seek power. They ALL seek to enrich themselves.

This impeachment farce is the THIRD bull# attempt to reject the will of the voters and suspend our agenda, which is America first.

What do these 1% care for America that they cannot take for themselves?

The entire West is in population decline, as education improves. This helps everything as the human race learns to naturally reign it in it's virus-like spreading. It seems like a good thing. Our population shrinks but our wealth, knowledge and comfort improves.

But if there are less people, then there is less money for them. Them. Them.

That's all they care about.

They are the world's most rich families, yet they are SOOOOOO scared of losing their wealth they'll stop at nothing within their power to increase growth. Just take our migrant explosion ALL OVER the West. If we won't breed for them, they will import people with less education who WILL. They will have their money!

We're at a breaking point, this country. The narratives being fed to the normies are simply unwatchable to the free eye. "How can they believe this?"

We can fight for Trump now, but it has to be about something bigger than that. It has to be about all of us. All of us.

One day Trump won't be President, and we're NEVER going to have one like him again. We might not have a US very long, either. They want war.

Wont matter......Schiff pujered himself within the first 10 min of his speech......

This lady, lied bold faced about her knowledge, when she not 10 min earlier said the opposite.....perjury isnt applicable to democrats apparently.........

and NO ONE in the news is pointing it out that these people lied..........

But after watching Becks last special, it all makes sense why they are so complicit.....

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Caractacus

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Either does the President of the Untied States.

That is kind of the whole thing.

And you would be incorrect, the treaty between our two countries allows for either to ask the other to help uncover criminal acts.

That treaty forbids involvement from private citizens like Giuliani.
It also requires precise documents be filed via DOJ to the Ministry of Justice in Ukraine and has limits and guidelines on how requests are communicated.
That treaty was structured to prevent exactly this type of illicit purported scheme.

If that treaty is in any way is relevant it is only as an example of how the treaty was violated via President Trump's demand.

I'm looking at the treaty and "private citizen" is not in the text. "Private Parties" is, once, in Article 1(4) in the context of not being able to gather evidence or impede the execution of a request. However, in Article 2 that establishes how cooperation is handled, the Attorney General or his designee is authorized for the USA. Period. That is the only time it's addressed so your statement is incorrect.

Despite your obvious hatred for Trump, he did nothing that violated anything regarding the treaty or the phone call.

By the way, Trump actually said this in the phone call:

I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it.

Proper channels were followed. End of discussion.

Article 1(4) states explicitly that the Treaty is not
intended to create rights in private parties to obtain,
suppress, or exclude any evidence, or to impede the execution
of a request.

Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's Private Attorney running a year long campaign to Pressure Ukraine to announce investigations into President Trump's chief political rival in his Domestic Campaign is not legal in the constructs of this agreement.

Article 2 provides for the establishment of Central
Authorities and defines Central Authorities for purposes of the
Treaty. For the United States, the Central Authority shall be
the Attorney General or a person designated by the Attorney
General. For Ukraine, the Central Authority shall be the
Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General.
The article provides that the Central Authorities shall
communicate directly with one another for the purposes of the
Treaty.

AG Barr issued an official statement that he knew nothing about the demand for an investigation until the call transcripts were made public.

Rudy Giuliani and the two convicted associates do not constitute "Central Authorities" or the AG or DOJ, nor were they designated to represent the DOJ.

Article 3 sets forth the circumstances under which a
Requested State's Central Authority may deny assistance under
the Treaty. A request may be denied if it relates to a military
offense that would not be an offense under ordinary criminal
law. A further ground for denial is that the request relates to
a political offense (a term expected to be defined on the basis
of that term's usage in extradition treaties). In addition, a
request may be denied if its execution would prejudice the
security or similar essential interests of the Requested State,
or if it is not made in conformity with the Treaty.

The request was related to a "Political Offense", otherwise President Trump's political rival.

Article 4 prescribes the form and content of written
requests under the Treaty, specifying in detail the information
required in each request. The article permits other forms of
requests in emergency situations but requires written
confirmation within ten days thereafter unless the Central
Authority of the Requested State agrees otherwise.

There were ZERO written requests or documentation. To the contrary the entire operation was covert in order to hide it's illicit nature.

Invoking that treaty in Trump's defense is not helpful, it is damning.

www.congress.gov...

a reply to: Caractacus

It's not that big of a deal, because none of those people were with the President when he described what he wanted. Until someone says, "President Trump told me not to ___________ until Zelensky does ____________.", we have no Quid-Quo-Pro.

And a Quid-Quo-Pro is not illegal. Congress is playing a dangerous game. Setting a precedent where Obama/Biden and future Presidents can be impeached very easily.

a reply to: Tempter

Great post! I wonder if the revelations about to come out about the Obama Administration will be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Statistics show that Liberals are more prone to committing civil violence than conservatives.

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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Caractacus

It's not that big of a deal, because none of those people were with the President when he described what he wanted.

The suggestion that Gordon Sondland, Rudy Giuliani, Mick Mulvaney decided on their own to circumvent the government and withhold Aid appropriated by congress without the President's direction or approval until the Ukrainian government announced an investigation into VP Biden and son is not remotely credible. It also asks all of these individuals to accept blame and legal consequences.

Of those three Gordon Sondland testifies publicly on Wed.

Sondland said he was acting on Trump’s orders, aide told investigators
www.politico.com...

And a Quid-Quo-Pro is not illegal.

Correct.

Buying gas for you car is a Quid Pro Quo Pro.

So is a "Drug Deal" as John Bolton put it.

You don't need to be a Lawyer to recognize what makes a Quid Pro Quo illegal or an abuse of power.

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: Gryphon66

The DOJ has zero authority to launch in investigation in a foreign country.

Really?

Then the Mueller Report indictments of Papadopolis and those Russian Hackers didn't happen?

Somebody posted Glenn Beck expose on Soros, Obama involvement in Ukraine ... now it’s starting to make sense to me and it’s why the Deep State decided to use this phone call as the pivot point for impeachment. These people being questioned are Deep Staters who know and are knee deep in the Ukraine/Burisma thing. They are not just people who heard such and such ... that is just a cover for what they really know.