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Pelosi Says President Trump Has to Show the Impeachment Committee Proof of Innocence

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posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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This is right on par with a government & economy that is hanging by a thread. They need a scapegoat to blame when the house of cards comes crashing down. That train is coming folks.




posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Sookiechacha

But Nancy said in plain English that Trump needs to show some evidence of innocence.

Why are YOU hacking-up the facts ? 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

That's not exactly what she said. Frankly, if he did have anything to prove his innocence, then he should submit it to help hire cause albeit not legally necessary. It would probably be wise to save it for the actual impeachment so ther Dems don't have much time to twist it all up.

Unfortunately, it's beyond difficult to prove one's innocence which is why we aren't required to do so.

My issue with Pelosi's statements in the video is that she speaks matter of factly that President Trump IS guilty. What he [definitely] did was worse than Nixon.

She's trying to sell it as though he's already been tried and convicted like it's already in the history books or something. Jacks my jaws, man.

There is no "allegedly" to her references to Trump.


Wait, so the OP clearly misworded the title to create some sort of sensationalism to get people to believe something that wasn't true? SMH



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You know, with the sheer number of self-professed insiders we have here, it seems to me that more of these crazy predictions would come true ... you know ... once in a while?

I mean ... broke clocks and all that.

Like "she is going to win"?
Or
"Muller is going to get trump"?
Like those predictions?

Lol



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

Yeah, like I said once ,
until the FISA report/Declass
becomes public, it is all another
waste of Taxpayer dollars and time.
Regardless, in the long run, they will
have to prove their "Opinion" beyond
a reasonable doubt to the voters,
if not to the judges.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: grey580

Right, so more of the "Guilty before proven innocent"
game.
You know what, myself and many,many others believe
Nutty Nancy is Guilty of Insider Trading and a hell of a lot more.

Maybe it is time she "Proved her Innocence".

Shall We Play A New Game?

edit on 17-11-2019 by Wildmanimal because: typo



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Neither would I after I had already sworn in
under oath with my right hand on The Bible
on Inauguration Day.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Oh yes they do.
Especially if it is their failing court
of Public Opinion.



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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How did she get so rich, Does her family own a successful buisiness?



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Oh yes they do.
Especially if it is their failing court
of Public Opinion.


Since when has the "court of public opinion" ever needed proof of anything, let alone proof beyond a reasonable doubt?



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:06 PM
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You know, with the sheer number of self-professed insiders we have here, it seems to me that more of these crazy predictions would come true ... you know ... once in a while?


Yeah like all these insiders about Trump raping someone,Russia,Ukraine when not a single witness has testified to having FIRST hand knowledge.

3 years now of all these insiders, and nothing has matched their claims.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

What is Trumps defense going to be?



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Senate is the one that gets to impeach.

The house is just snipping in the wind.

They get to begin that bullcrap they call 'inquiry'.

What do you call it? How else are they going to get the whole story?
Obviously many people thought the call was shady and still others are describing the events that took place leading up to and right after the July 25th call and it is strongly suggesting some pressure from trump to get this guy to investigate and to announce them.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

What is Trumps defense going to be?


That's an excellent topic for you to make 😃 😃



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme




What do you call it?


Treason.




How else are they going to get the whole story?


Their not interested in the whole story. Because if they were Schiff and Pelosi wouldn't lie so much.




Obviously many people thought the call was shady and still others are describing the events that took place leading up to and right after the July 25th call and it is strongly suggesting some pressure from trump to get this guy to investigate and to announce them.


Shady is what I call Never Trump that are trying to take a presidency and IGNORE the EFF out of due process.
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posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:45 PM
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Seriously?

The '57' states should just kick California the hell out of the union since it brings nothing to the table.

Other than the most corrupt party in American history.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, that's an easy one. "Speaker Pelosi, simply look at your total lack of evidence, that's all the proof I need to show!"

Fred..



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

If we were to follow your line of reasoning we could argue that women have no rights since they are not mentioned in specific in the U.S. Constitution.

Just like "the right of women and minorities" are believed to be inferred in the "rights of all men", "reasonable doubt" and "presumption of innocence" are inferred as being fundamental parts of "due process of law."

Not to mention the fact that we have several precedents supporting my argument such as according to Coffin vs. the United States in 1895.


LII U.S. Constitution Annotated Amendment XIV. RIGHTS GUARANTEED Section I DUE PROCESS OF LAW

DUE PROCESS OF LAW
Generally

Due process under the Fourteenth Amendment can be broken down into two categories: procedural due process and substantive due process. Procedural due process, based on principles of “fundamental fairness,” addresses which legal procedures are required to be followed in state proceedings. Relevant issues, as discussed in detail below, include notice, opportunity for hearing, confrontation and cross-examination, discovery, basis of decision, and availability of counsel. Substantive due process, although also based on principles of “fundamental fairness,” is used to evaluate whether a law can be applied by states at all, regardless of the procedure followed. Substantive due process has generally dealt with specific subject areas, such as liberty of contract or privacy, and over time has alternately emphasized the importance of economic and noneconomic matters. In theory, the issues of procedural and substantive due process are closely related. In reality, substantive due process has had greater political import, as significant portions of a state legislature’s substantive jurisdiction can be restricted by its application.

Although the extent of the rights protected by substantive due process may be controversial, its theoretical basis is firmly established and forms the basis for much of modern constitutional case law. Passage of the Reconstruction Amendments (13th, 14th, and 15th) gave the federal courts the authority to intervene when a state threatened fundamental rights of its citizens,39 and one of the most important doctrines flowing from this is the application of the Bill of Rights to the states through the Due Process Clause.40 Through the process of “selective incorporation,” most of the provisions of the first eight Amendments, such as free speech, freedom of religion, and protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, are applied against the states as they are against the federal government. Though application of these rights against the states is no longer controversial, the incorporation of other substantive rights, as is discussed in detail below, has been.
...

DUE PROCESS OF LAW

This claim you made that "these standards of due process will be done later" is a lie, whether you know it or not, because Schiff used a dirty tactic by using a SCIF to start this illegal impeachment sham.

SCIFs are used for terrorism or counter-terrorism related matters, such as discussions or investigations in which the evidence presented must be kept secret from the public, and from most U.S. representatives and Senators whom are not part of the intelligence committee.

None of the evidence, even the actual transcripts of the conversations made within the SCIF, can ever see the light of day. As it is, since the SCIF was used to accuse the POTUS, the POTUS, the VP and even the POTUS' counsel were not allowed to be present, even though the POTUS and VP do have the clearance to be present in a SCIF.

The witnesses, and evidence presented in the SCIF can never be accessed by the public or by the POTUS' counsel. Hence the lying sack of Schiff is denying due process to the POTUS, his counsel and most U.S. representatives and Senators whom will never be able to access this information.

What Schiff will do is the same lie he used as he made up the conversation the POTUS had with the Ukrainian President. Schiff will declare the new lies he will present to the public is what happened in the SCIF, and we won't be able to deny or corroborate Schiff's lies unless some member of the intelligence committee decides to leak the truth. However, Schiff has already threatened Republicans if they try to leak anything discussed or seen in the SCIF.

Of note the argument that the "leaker" is a whistleblower could also be questioned because the conversation between the POTUS and the Ukrainian President is a "diplomatic matter", and not an "intelligence matter." Since the "not a whistleblower" didn't even hear the conversation first hand, and his accusation has nothing to do with "intelligence", it could be argued that this person is not a whistleblower.

Schiff, Pelosi et al just want to keep the identity of the "not a whistleblower" a secret so that he/she cannot be cross-examined or questioned whatsoever to see if there is a conflict of interest, if he/she was coached by Schiff, etc, etc.








edit on 18-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comments.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I can prove Donald Trumps innocence right now.. By showing the
democrats campaign to impeach Donald Trump began 19 minutes
after he was inaugurated.

Washington Post




Jan. 20, 2017 at 9:19 a.m. PST
The effort to impeach President Donald John Trump is already underway.

At the moment the new commander in chief was sworn in, a campaign to build public support for his impeachment went live at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org, spearheaded by two liberal advocacy groups aiming to lay the groundwork for his eventual ejection from the White House.


Idiots at the post.

As a side note we should all keep in mind the significance of this
date Nov. 22 1963 and that Epsiien did not kill himself.

edit on 18-11-2019 by carsforkids because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: carsforkids

Oh..so they knew he was a crook right out the starting gate? That's the reason James Clapper gave for President Obama ordering that Donald Trump be spied upon.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



Ah , Innocent UNTIL Proven Guilty Nancy . This is Not the Soviet Union .......




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