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4 Key Pieces of Evidence Undermining Arguments For Impeachment

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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trump hasn't extorted Ukraine.

But Biden did 😁




posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes, it’s ok not to give aid to a country who is engaged in corruption to the point they are firing prosecutors looking into corruption

Quid pro quo’s and conditions on aid are common

Demanding cooperation into corruption investigations is a legitimate reason to withhold aid

And it hasn’t even been showed trump extorted the Ukraine, unlike with Biden

And it proves the people calling for impeachment are hypocrites

edit on 12-11-2019 by Grambler because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen


I'm thinking that, this is just not the about the actors we know are scheduled to appear, and more about any witnesses those actors could have. Something to think about.



Do you mean like Rudy Giuliani?


Everything Giuliani did was perfectly legal and 100% ethical


Now your'e tearing the arse out of it...but you'll find out soon enough..as if you don't know already.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trump hasn't extorted Ukraine.

But Biden did 😁



How did Biden do that?

You guys have been telling us for days that Trump’s actions are fine because he is the President.

Therefore, since Biden obviously had no authority to do anything not approved by Obama, Biden’s actions are fine because he is implementing the policy of the President.

Pretty tight logic there guys.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Biden was the point man, and as he admitted , it was he that issued the qpq, and Obama backed him up

Both he and Obama should be investigated



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

Biden was the point man, and as he admitted , it was he that issued the qpq, and Obama backed him up

Both he and Obama should be investigated



I’m sure the investigation is well-underway. I mean, Joe’s “confession video” has been up for a year and a half. Obviously, Mr. Trump was just asking Ukraine to help Bill Barr with the ongoing investigation.

Crimes to be decided on later I suppose.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:43 PM
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Demanding cooperation into corruption investigations is a legitimate reason to withhold aid


I just don't understand how all those high powered lawyers and lawmakers could miss that!

How could they not include Trump's alleged right to demand an investigation into his political rivals' possible corruption, in exchange for congressional approved aid, to defend a vulnerable country from Russian aggression, during a hot was that's taking the lives of thousands of Ukraine soldiers?


edit on 12-11-2019 by Sookiechacha because: /sarcasm



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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When did the hot war begin?

Was it ever since yakunivicth was ousted

Huh, weird I don’t remember you or any of the Dems claiming trump endangered Ukraine condemning Obama and Biden for threatening to withhold aid

In fact Obama never even sent weapons, unlike trump

Where was the left criticizing him?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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Obama withheld loan guarantees not cash.

Don’t let the truth stop anything though.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:55 PM
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So, as to the four points, the transcript of the July 25 call certainly shows that Trump is making the sale of the Javelins contingent on investigations to be conducted by Ukraine. Trump called publicly for these investigations multiple times. Mick Mulvaney stated clearly that quid pro quos were perfectly fine, and then claimed two days later that he didn’t.

There are multiple witnesses that have testified with direct knowledge that there was indeed a set of conditions that Ukraine had to meet to get their Javelins and their visit to Washington. Do you really think that Zelensky sitting by Trump at the White House is going to say anything else? That would make him look weak and obsequious and destroy the need for the trip which was to build status for the new President.

The Ukraninians were certainly aware that Rudy wanted investigations and there would be no pay unless they played.

Yeah, the whole deal kinda blew up in Trump’s face ... I guess it’s been a few years since he last mastered the Art of the Deal. It’s a shame, really.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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Thirteen Ukrainian Soldiers Died During Trump-Ordered Freeze on Militatary Aid www.newsweek.com...

Your whataboutism may derail this thread, but isn't going to save Trump from impeachment.

How is Trump defense team going to spin the obstruction and abuse of office charges, promised to be in the articles of impeachment? It's not in the 4 talking points.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 08:59 PM
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Yeah, the whole deal kinda blew up in Trump’s face ... I guess it’s been a few years since he last mastered the Art of the Deal. It’s a shame, really.


So sad.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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Investigations were already in progress at the time 😃



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler

Thirteen Ukrainian Soldiers Died During Trump-Ordered Freeze on Militatary Aid www.newsweek.com...

Your whataboutism may derail this thread, but isn't going to save Trump from impeachment.

How is Trump defense team going to spin the obstruction and abuse of office charges, promised to be in the articles of impeachment? It's not in the 4 talking points.



""according to various local media and Ukrainian government reports."" 😃 🎱 😃



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:05 PM
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What obstruction?

You mean like Biden and the Dems obstructing by declaring an investigation into the Obama admins quid pro quo was a crime?

Meanwhile how many Ukrainians died because Obama sent 0 military weapons to Ukraine?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:06 PM
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Are you mocking the deaths of soldiers who died on their own soil, defending their country from Russian aggression?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:08 PM
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Which witnesses said there was a quid pro quo?

Vindman who already admitted said it was just his interpretation of trumps call, and the transcript was accurate?

Or a bunch of people who didn’t here the call?

Meanwhile people like volker have testified there was none

And even if there was, that only gets us to the level of what we know about Obama and Biden, that they did have a quid pro quo

You f there was a legitimate reason to investigate Obama and Biden’s qpq, there is no abuse of power by trump



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:08 PM
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What obstruction?


The obstruction that the House leaders have promised to include in its articles of impeachment.

The Republicans know it's coming, yet they offer no defense.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen

Are you mocking the deaths of soldiers who died on their own soil, defending their country from Russian aggression?



You ignored all of their deaths when Obama never sent them weapons

Why don’t you care about the Ukrainians that died fighting Russians while Obama wasn’t sending the military aid, and was threatening to withhold aid that Biden admitted?

Do you care so little for their deaths that you only mention them when you can use them to attack a politician you don’t like?
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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




What obstruction?


The obstruction that the House leaders have promised to include in its articles of impeachment.

The Republicans know it's coming, yet they offer no defense.



So super secret obstruction we can’t see yet

Got it

Yep sounds damning!

It must be like the evidence of crimes with trump colluding with Russia schiff saw with his own eyes



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