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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen
Those are pretty weak arguments, and easy to punch holes in, in my opinion.
But most of all, they're premature. First, they need to hear the testimony, then they need to answer the articles of impeachment, as they are written, when they are finally written.
1. The July 25 call summary — the best evidence of the conversation — shows no conditionality or evidence of pressure.
2. Both President Zelensky and President Trump have publicly and repeatedly said there was no pressure to investigate the President’s political rivals.
3. The Ukrainian government was not aware that U.S. security assistance was delayed at the time of the July 25 phone call.
4. The United States provided security assistance to Ukraine and President Trump met with President Zelensky without Ukraine ever investigating President Trump‘s political rivals.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen
Those are pretty weak arguments, and easy to punch holes in, in my opinion.
But most of all, they're premature. First, they need to hear the testimony, then they need to answer the articles of impeachment, as they are written, when they are finally written.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sookiechacha
And your point is?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen
Those are pretty weak arguments, and easy to punch holes in, in my opinion.
But most of all, they're premature. First, they need to hear the testimony, then they need to answer the articles of impeachment, as they are written, when they are finally written.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sookiechacha
And your point is?
That, your question is off topic? Biden doesn't appear to be the subject of any of the Republican defense points.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sookiechacha
And your point is?
That, your question is off topic? Biden doesn't appear to be the subject of any of the Republican defense points.
Me showing even better defenses for trump is no more off topic than you saying you dont think the defense given were that good.
Bidens QPQ should be investigated, trump had every right to pursue that.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler
I disagree. I posted an opinion about the 4 arguments presented by Republicans, in the OP.
You posted whataboutism that distract from the 4 points listed in the OP.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: smurfy
I'm thinking that, this is just not the about the actors we know are scheduled to appear, and more about any witnesses those actors could have. Something to think about.
Do you mean like Rudy Giuliani?
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sookiechacha
And your point is?
That, your question is off topic? Biden doesn't appear to be the subject of any of the Republican defense points.
Me showing even better defenses for trump is no more off topic than you saying you dont think the defense given were that good.
Bidens QPQ should be investigated, trump had every right to pursue that.
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: xuenchen
They miss the best argument
Trump is right to want to investigate Joe Biden and the Obama admin and their admitted extortion and quid pro quo using 1 billion US tax dollars to fire the prosecutor looking into to bidens sons company.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Its really that simple. It doesnt matter if trump used quid pro quo (he didnt based on thetranscript and zelenkys statements). Any time an executive offical uses huge sums of our tax dollars to force the firing of someone looking into their families business, they need to be investigated.
Therefore there is no cause for impeachment.
I disagree with you.
Posting better defenses of Trump is not off topic.
Why is it with trump and his alleged quid pro quo, we need to have investigations, wait for evidence, etc before we can make up our minds
But with biden and obama's admitted quid pro quo, we not only can declare it fine without any investigation whatsoever, but can say any proposed investigation of it is a crime?
I feel the best defense is Biden should be investigated, hence trump was right to pursue it, and there is no case for impeachment