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Inspector General Complaint Claims Ukraine Whistleblower Violated Fundraising Laws

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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Oraculi
I see, now you want to know who the whistleblower is.




posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Oraculi
a reply to: xuenchen

Who filed the complaint? I can't find that information out, and it doesn't say that in your link.

This line from your link implies it may not be an official government complaint.


Should any governmental agency properly inquire we would, of course, cooperate,” said attorney Andrew Bakaj.


Is this just somebody personally and anonymously filing a complaint with the IG? Do you have any more details on this?



Why would this whstleblowers identity matter?

We have to believe what he says and launch an investigation, even if he only has second hand knowledge.

Are you trying to out details of the whsitle blower? Dont you realize that is putting his life in danger?


It matters. A whisteblower would imply a government employee, and that means protections. This seems to be an unofficial, non-agency complaint by the sounds of it.

Which means it could have been written in by you or me. Or anyone else who can read and write. Or dictate. That does not mean we don't have protections, but it could mean that it won't get taken very seriously. It also means that without evidence, the complaint is going straight into the trash bin. Now if an official government agency did an investigation and then referred a complaint with the name of the agency on it and signed by a director...

Big difference, isn't it?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Oraculi

Suddenly knowing who the whistle blower is matter

I see it over and over again, but still I am amazed at how fast those that hate trump will apply double standards when the same treatment they demand to others is applied to them



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: Oraculi
I see, now you want to know who the whistleblower is.


There are so many holes in this story and you know it.

But you know what, I get it, you guys just wanna make some fun out of our whistle-blower laws. You need this. Knock yourselves out.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Caractacus
a reply to: xuenchen

Looking at the Gofundme page, it is for the Whistle-blower's Attorneys, not directly for the Whistle blower.

Not sure if that still qualifies under whatever statute is mentioned.



It doesn’t.

But as you can see, that doesn’t stop anyone from running with whatever narrative they want to believe. It’s not like the whistleblower set this gofundme up themselves. And since they didn’t, this law doesn’t apply.

As always, it’s everyone else who’s a criminal. Not the well known lying criminal that is under investigation.


Examples please of the lying and the criminality. QPQ is not even a thing so no need to mentin the "call" since the Democratic party has not held it's selection process to date. Good luck on both ventures (finding lies, and of course the criminal actions) because if there are none than what we have here is written libel which is technically illegal. So now that the shoe is on the other foot you might want to start digging as so you are not what you claimed someone else was.


edit on 12-11-2019 by CrazyFox because: assssumptions



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Oraculi

He or she is a whistleblower and no one is allowed to know who it is. Even saying their name in public could lead to ethics violations. How dare anyone attempt to unmask this whistleblower!!! He or she will be shielded by the media, you tube and Twitter will delete any accounts that dare utter their name....they are a WHISTLEBLOWER!



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: Oraculi

He or she is a whistleblower and no one is allowed to know who it is. Even saying their name in public could lead to ethics violations. How dare anyone attempt to unmask this whistleblower!!! He or she will be shielded by the media, you tube and Twitter will delete any accounts that dare utter their name....they are a WHISTLEBLOWER!



That is the requirement of Federal law.

2nd line



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: Oraculi

Maybe .....................😀



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: Oraculi
I see, now you want to know who the whistleblower is.


Is it still a "whistle-blower" if it is concerning a publicly advertised Gofundme page?

I mean Snowden revealed something covert and so did the Whistleblower regarding the Ukraine Call.

Does "hey - look at this gofundme page" constitute "Whistleblowing"?

Reporting? Maybe.
Complaining? Maybe.
Whistle-Blowing? Not sure about that.

Honest question. If this is legitimate it looks more like someone simply making a complaint than a "Whistleblower"?




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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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Even without exposing whistleblower Ciaramella as a fraud, Republicans revealed information today that will severely damage the Democrat's impeachment witch-hunt.

Democrat Narrative Dismantled: www.thegatewaypundit.com... public-hearings/



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

lmao, Sean Hannity... great, I just gave that site a click.

Sean Hannity, Fox News Chief Propagandist who talks with Trump on the phone weekly, if not daily. Yeah, as if this man has ever given me a reason to believe anything he says or posts on his website.

But his base, of course, is dying to eat something like this up to have ammo to protect their Dear Leader when owning the LiBS!



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Would you have believed it if a russia collusion hoax pushing pedophile epstein protecting newtwork like abc reported it?

here is the actual complaint from the lawyers

www.scribd.com...&from_embed



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66
Nice try
Just the ig

Lol



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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Why would a whistleblower need funds for attorneys? You would think there would no end of Pro Bono offers from top lawyers wanting their name in the history books. Hmmm...



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
Why would a whistleblower need funds for attorneys? You would think there would no end of Pro Bono offers from top lawyers wanting their name in the history books. Hmmm...


This lawyer announced a group that would pay expenses for any whistle blowers in 2017


The anonymous U.S. intelligence official accusing President Trump of improperly pressuring Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is represented by two lawyers who run a group that offers financial help to fired whistleblowers.

Whistleblower Aid was launched in September 2017 — eight months after Trump's inauguration — with an advertising blitz that involved mobile billboards being driven close to the White House, Congress, outside the Pentagon, and around the headquarters of the CIA and National Security Agency.

The group’s pledge of support, in addition to free legal representation including rent and mortgage assistance, media coaching, and doctor’s bills and counseling, is controversial among lawyers. Critics say it violates attorney ethics.


www.washingtonexaminer.com...< br />
So are we to believe that they will be spending the $227,000 to doctors fees and rent?

This sounds like a scam to get rich for leaking to hurt trump.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Swills

Would you have believed it if a russia collusion hoax pushing pedophile epstein protecting newtwork like abc reported it?

here is the actual complaint from the lawyers

www.scribd.com...&from_embed


Have you read that complaint?

It is against a charitable org run by John Tye.



John Napier Tye (born c. 1976) is a former official of the U.S. State Department who came forward in 2014 as a whistleblower seeking to publicize certain electronic surveillance practices of the U.S. government under Executive Order 12333. He later co-founded a non-profit law firm, Whistleblower Aid, intended to help federal government whistleblowers forward their concerns without incurring legal liability.

en.wikipedia.org...(whistleblower)

AND The complaint is not made by a government employee, but rather some person that hired a lawyer to send a letter to the IG

This OP does not look well investigated.



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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Oraculi

Suddenly knowing who the whistle blower is matter



This is NOT a government employee reporting wrong doing according to the link you provided.

It is some random person that hired a lawyer to send a letter to the IG.

And it was regarding publicly available information, not government wrongdoing.

And a former government employee.

No offense, but everything about this looks to be nonsense.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Caractacus

Where do you see it say it’s not a government employee?

Why is it ok to out whistle blowers outing government agents corruption if the are t government employees?

Are you are this persons life could be in danger?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Caractacus

Where do you see it say it’s not a government employee?


If it was a government employee the lawyers letter would not say "our firm represents a client who wishes to anonymously report" It would say our firm represents a federal employee entitled to remain anonymous under the Federal Whistle Blower statute etc. etc. and include the associated official WB complaint forms and documentation.

Being a government employee reporting wrongdoing by another government employee is a specific legal process covered by the WB protections act.

This letter just says some person wants to remain anonymous and hired a lawyer to send a letter to the IG.

Again, no offense.

This looks like a stunt, not an official whistle blower complaint.

It is alos looks like a matter for the IRS is there is anything illicit going on since the accused is John Tye, a private citizen.




Why is it ok to out whistle blowers outing government agents corruption if the are t government employees?

Are you are this persons life could be in danger?


Apologies. I don't understand what you are saying in this post.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Caractacus

Perhaps this whistleblower does not want to reveal he is a government employee

Why does his reporting about what he has heard through second hand reporting not qualify as relevant info?

If he is not a government employee, why is his whistleblowing any less meaningful?

Wouldn’t enquiring about this persons positive range his life?



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