People are MAD that Elsa is not gay

a reply to: CIAGypsy

They want people to get mad. If the story is weak or a franchise has been done to death and all they can do is rehash old plots, they change a characters race or gender. To get attention and to create controversy. And if nobody cares, which is usually the case, they fake an outcry to create a controversy. A black female James Bond, a gay villain or hero, or they murder off an iconic loved character like Han Solo. Its the zombiefication of Disney and Hollywood.

a reply to: Bloodworth

The sad reality is that caving to these demands is what is causing the bottom to fall out of the entertainment market. People are not stupid and know that such casting decisions not representative of the average movie-goer's life so they don't relate to the story-line. This is economics 101. You don't guide your entire market strategy based upon the opinions of the minority.

I don't think people, as whole, really care about the sexuality of characters unless it is directly related to the storyline. Think about the the movie 'The Birdcage.' In that case, it was directly relevant to the storyline and people enjoyed the movie. Throwing in a gay character just to 'placate' a minority segment of the population is not good economics and turns off most people because it feels forced upon them.

At the end of the day, right or wrong, entertainment is a business.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

Or you could learn to relate to someone who isn't your ethnicity. That would be a novel idea.

Ummm, that's not what the poster said though.

You learn to love and relate to a character as they are. My son loves the movie into the Spiderverse and really likes Miles Morales, and the movie does a good job explaining how in multiple realities, fate has decided there will be a version of Spider-Man, but that it doesn't always end up as Peter Parker.

My husband also like the movie as a veteran Spider-Man fan himself because the movie gives a plausible explanation for why there are slightly different versions of Spider-Man out there.

He likes it much better than when they just up and suddenly stick a different ethnic background on a character or a different gender without any real explanation except ... reasons (this or that suit said "DIVERSITY") ... People don't just change like that in reality even though, yes, you learn to like people for all of who they are.

I agree with you here.... My kids also loved Into the Spiderverse for the same reason.... Because the storyline was explained why the characters are different from the established storyline we all grew up with. People (by and large) don't care that Miles is Black. It was done in a manner that doesn't insult the intelligence of those people who watch the movie or force them to accept a certain slant of politics because race isn't an aspect of the storyline. When a series tries to explicitly MAKE "it" (insert some controversy here) about something that it isn't, it is going to turn people off....

For example, the new Batwoman series. My husband watches this stuff religiously.... He could care less about the new Batwoman being gay. He said that they way they push that fact is what detracts from the story.

a reply to: ignorant_ape
No you need to get an education. Children are impressionable how impressionable depends on the age but none the less they are. Let them figure things out on their own. They do not need guidance as if all is normal. IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE EXAMPLE. It took your mom and dad to create you. Just because science has changed things does not make homosexuality normal. I do not have anything against homosexuals as there are some in my own family. But by definition it is not NORMAL. It lies outside the laws of nature.

When you go to a grocery store and see an entire isle of cookies is it not hard to decide. Decisions about taste, healthy or not, cost and many other reasons to get flustered and confused. Why should our very existence be a smorgasbord of sexual choice. Just grow up and if your heart desires the opposite sex so be it. DO NOT GET INTO THE HEADS OF YOUNG CHILDREN AS THEY ARE WAY TO INEXPERIENCED IN LIFE TO MAKE CHOICES THAT EARLY.!!!!!

a reply to: Ansuzrune

My teenage daughter (the one going to see this movie) and I have gone around and around about this subject. It is because sexual identification has been normalized as something people make an active choice and it's fluid. My daughter did not grow up with any kind of predication for homosexuality or even bi-sexuality. Now that she has reached adolescence and is becoming cognitively aware of sexuality, she looks at her own sexuality as something she can choose. I have nothing against homosexuals or bi-sexuals. My husband's best friend is gay. My younger half-sister's mother is gay. I have MANY gay friends and would do anything for them. But, as I have told my daughter, had she grown up at any time in history prior to the last 10 years, she would not look at her own sexuality the same way as something that is fluid or 'chooseable.' There have been gay people since the beginning of time....but it was not a normal everyday occurrence and it certainly wasn't pushed on people in favor of allowing them to figure out for themselves based upon their natural inclinations. I feel many kids these days are "pressured" to be bi-sexual or at least open to their sexuality being fluid.

a reply to: CIAGypsy
You are dead spot on. Frustrating isn't it?

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: Bloodworth

The sad reality is that caving to these demands is what is causing the bottom to fall out of the entertainment market. People are not stupid and know that such casting decisions not representative of the average movie-goer's life so they don't relate to the story-line. This is economics 101. You don't guide your entire market strategy based upon the opinions of the minority.

I don't think people, as whole, really care about the sexuality of characters unless it is directly related to the storyline. Think about the the movie 'The Birdcage.' In that case, it was directly relevant to the storyline and people enjoyed the movie. Throwing in a gay character just to 'placate' a minority segment of the population is not good economics and turns off most people because it feels forced upon them.

At the end of the day, right or wrong, entertainment is a business.

I agree but you dont know how relentless, violent and just straight up mean those groups can be.

Cross them and get caught in their spotlight they will go after your job, your family members. Real nasty people

a reply to: CIAGypsy

People are mad that Elsa is not gay, that Fin and Poe aren't gay lovers, that A Wrinkle in Time failed because of its unchecked feminism, the list goes on...

Hollywood is burying its self because it caters to a tiny minority to appear "woke"..!!

a reply to: Ansuzrune

utter bollox

i do have an education

but - as you so utterly failed to comprehend what i wrote - perhaps you should follow your own advice

as i satate - if you insist on the premise :

" gay elsa - makes your kids gay "

try applying it to all the other " influential characters " they are exposed to

to be blunt - stop cherry picking

If they want her to be a little bit gay all they need to do is watch the Porn spoof of Frozen.

While a slightly different context, it still relates to the general premise of the 'woke' minority's view on Disney -

Disney+ slaps content warning for 'outdated cultural depictions' on classic animated movies

After its launch on Tuesday, Disney+ users noticed that some of the company's classic content such as “Dumbo” (1941), The Aristocats (1970), “The Jungle Book” (1967) and the original “Lady and the Tramp” (1955) all contain a warning at the end of their respective descriptions. These warnings caution sensitive fans that what they are about to watch contains racial portrayals that might be triggering.

Where does it end?????

Can we PLEASE keep sexuality and politics out of children's movies???

Good luck with that.

The most insulting thing is paying for film and television.

When it's filled top to bottom with political propaganda.

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Why does identity have to come down to sexuality? Who cares if Elsa doesn't have a love interest, let alone if it isn't another woman??? Can we PLEASE keep sexuality and politics out of children's movies???

It's a little too late for all that. Almost all Disney animated films over the years have included a love interest for the main character.

Many of them had plots that revolved around the love interest (Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, The Princess and the Frog, Little Mermaid, Lady and the Tramp, Tangled, etc)

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: trollz

FFS - do i have to educate you ?

" not homosexual " could be argued as " wrog " sexual orientation

i have met durham miners who were less redundant than your post

And that’s exactly what most of us hate: being “educated” by the film and TV industry when all we want is to be entertained. If enlightenment is what we seek, we can search for it without the help of woke writers, actors and directors. I’m just sick of the constant preaching and propaganda.

Its ok to be straight.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: hunterTheory

i has no idea - cos i have zero experience of children

but i suspect you are cherry picking with your agrument :

" gay elsa weill promote gay kids "

would you like to extend that " logic " to significant attributes of every character in these type of cartoons

my generation grew up watching tom and jerry & other cartoons of that ilk - and guess what - i dont recall any one at any shool i attended - hitting each other with hammers or dropping anvils on people

whats changed ?

Despite 58 genders, I don't suspect anyone has wanted to be a cat or a mouse.


Actually, furries are a thing....so...

There are so many “activists” out there w/ so many causes.
They write letters, blog, and actively advocate for their cause.
Meanwhile, the other 98% of the population sits quiet, and accepts it.

originally posted by: sooth
Disney has literally already produced a cartoon about a girl that gets off with a beast and I don't recall the uproar about that from anyone. All of this just speaks to the people of earth today. We're all too goddamn sensitive and have zero respect for any and all opposing viewpoints.

Been awhile since i've seen it but I was under the impression that she knew the beast was a guy touched by a spell. After the main dance I never got the impression she was going to screw him.

Left wing liberals easily offended and over-emotional response to an issue that didn't exist until they created it.

I'm shocked to my core.

Honestly i will not tolerate a animated movie or feature featuring a potical message or agenda in this case a gay character at least appearing in movie theaters.

This kind of stuff reminds me when i was in my young adult times around 20s? a lot of the internet anime/geeks were expecting Naruto to turn gay and all this because in the early beginning of the Anime the main character was obsessed with his rival.


In the end the author of the Anime didnt make him gay at all but there was no outrage, only parodies were created by fans.
So why are some snowflakes in outrage over Disney's Elsa not being gay? honestly do they expect everyone to bend over?