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Colonel Vindman Tells Ukraine to Ignore Requests From His Boss President Trump.

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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Common thread with all these witnesses. They "THOUGHT" the U.S. President was not implementing foreign policy properly.

This impeachment thing will backfire on Democrats, like the Mueller witch-hunt did. Sucking all the air out of the room for nothing.




posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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Each "closed door" witness so far reeks of coached testimonies on the teetering edges of perjury all selectively highlighting innuendo, conjecture, and legal double talk. I wonder how many teams of lawyers are on this ? 😃



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

It doesnt matter if Vindman claims he didnt feel his comment was disobeying the Presidents orders. He admitted excatly what he discussed, and that was in fact telling his counter part to not adhere to trumps request because it would be getting involved in US domestic politics.

As to whether or not Zelensky listened, why is that releveant to the point that Vindman was telling to Ukraine not to comply with trumps request?



It doesn’t matter what Lt. Col. Vindman believes, only what you believe? LOL.

That’s arrogant even for Trump apologetics.

You’re still rephrasing and misrepresenting what he said and when he said he said it. If he states in his testimony that he spoke to his counterpart on July 31 and counseled him to become involved in American politics ... SHOW US.

Because you can’t even do that. I know you value your opinion highly, but it’s just an opinion. Lt. Col. Vindman was VERY CLEAR.

.. and the only thing CLEAR here is that you are desperately trying to obfusticate and mislead.
edit on 12-11-2019 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Each "closed door" witness so far reeks of coached testimonies on the teetering edges of perjury all selectively highlighting innuendo, conjecture, and legal double talk. I wonder how many teams of lawyers are on this ? 😃


Another opinion.

Any factual backup? Examples of witness testimony quoted from a reliable source? ANYTHING?

Nah. You seem to like to hear your own opinion too.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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If this gets to The Senate, it will be a field day 😃



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Common thread with all these witnesses. They "THOUGHT" the U.S. President was not implementing foreign policy properly.

This impeachment thing will backfire on Democrats, like the Mueller witch-hunt did. Sucking all the air out of the room for nothing.


And yet, you can’t quote anyone saying that ... VIndman’s comments were about the lead-up to the Trump-Velensky call, and Vindman LISTENED to the call.

Do you have any quotes from any witnesses that back up your claims? If not, you’re spouting opinion.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

ALSO:

No wonder Adam Schiff wouldn't let Republicans have personal copies of any Witness transcripts.

He DOCTORED THEM, according to President Trump.

Source: twitter.com...



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
If this gets to The Senate, it will be a field day 😃


Yeah, but the Ribbons may not go the way you think.

McConnell’s starting to get twitchy. That’s no good for Trump.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

The whistle blower probably came by the information in the course of his or her job. I doubt it was the cleaning lady or even a secretary who types letters.
Weak sauce.
You have no proof.

the "testimony" is avaialable
we would have the "whistleblowers" testimony except for schiff and the back door democrats

you are "probably" wrong as is the custom here



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: xuenchen

ALSO:

No wonder Adam Schiff wouldn't let Republicans have personal copies of any Witness transcripts.

He DOCTORED THEM, according to President Trump.

Source: twitter.com...


And Trump was lying as you well know. A staff of bipartisan attorneys VERIFIED the transcripts.

Are you trying to demonstrate that President Trump is an inveterate LIAR? Because that’s all you’re doing.
edit on 12-11-2019 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Who cares. trump sure isnt interested is he?
The only corruption he is interested in is the corruption that will cloud the water before election day.
He doesnt care a fig about corruption.. Its his relegion. He cares about getting dirt and he cares about winning.

The Hunter Biden story is dead. Why dont you let it rest. There is nothing to it. There never was anything to it.
The only way to make something of it is to twist the facts and lie.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: xuenchen

ALSO:

No wonder Adam Schiff wouldn't let Republicans have personal copies of any Witness transcripts.

He DOCTORED THEM, according to President Trump.

Source: twitter.com...

are we sure this was not another of schiffs famous "parodies"?
he has done such before, on the actual congressional record



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

... and your “article” states clearly that the Ukrainians knew that Trump was pro-Russian and that there were Russian state actors working to get Trump elected.

Thanks for proving that the Russians were working for Trump ... once again.



Yes yes I know. You are ok with foreign interference as long as it benefits your side.

I mean it was perfectly fine for Ukraine to interfere, because they thought trump was pro russian.

Thank you for making it clear to everyone just how hypocritical you all are.



I am not okay with any foreign interference in our elections. And I am not on a side. Unlike you.

Now, how did the Ukraine “interfere”? Specifically, since it’s all smoke an mirrors anyway, what did the individual you claim interefered “Lushchenko” ... what DID HE DO?

The only one who looks hypocritical here is you. You’re blatantly lying about what I said three posts above this one.


I am not lying

I showed you proof of leschenko admittng he interfered in the election, with the anti corruption buraeu in the Ukraine, by releasing details of an investigation into manafort, in order to help hillary win bec ause they disliked trumps policies.

You ignored it, said it was an opinion piece, and chortled that this was just more proof russia interfered to help trump.

You keep asking for specifics, I gave them to you.

Read the articles I linked.

It shows how Leschenko and the NABU released a black ledger about manafort to a DNC operative named chalupa that was seeking dirt on trump, because they wanted hillary to win and dilsiked trumps policies.

There interference was effective, as it forced the resignation of Manafort and allowed Hillary to use this of proof of the corruption of trump.

The investigation into the facts of this ledger were completely dropped after the election, and many have claimed the "evidence" themwas fabricated to go after Trump and manafort.

If you were really concerned about foreign interfence, and you saw an article with a foreign politican admitting to interefering,m you would read that article and say this was a problem.

You would write it off as an opinion piece, kand claim it merely proves Russian interfence cause the giy admitting to interfering in the election said so.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

LOL you think I read your links? No and I dont eat excess sugar or fat either.

Is that another opinion piece?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You are just flat out a liar.
/
The source says what leschenko did, I showed what he did as well.

You just didnt read it.

Quoting a foreign politician saying they interfered in the election to help hillary win is not an opinion, its a fact.

Do you honestly not see the difference.

I again repeat, thats pathetic.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Who cares. trump sure isnt interested is he?
The only corruption he is interested in is the corruption that will cloud the water before election day.
He doesnt care a fig about corruption.. Its his relegion. He cares about getting dirt and he cares about winning.

The Hunter Biden story is dead. Why dont you let it rest. There is nothing to it. There never was anything to it.
The only way to make something of it is to twist the facts and lie.


The Bidens are surely being investigated by DOJ ... President Trump asked for President Zelensky’s help for Barr in the investigation.

I’ll be glad to hear what the results are, since it seems that they would have been at it for like a year-and-a-half.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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hahahaha
not going out on that branch eh?
lol
that is hilarious

isn't there some sort of anti corruption treaty or something to that effect.......
i remember reading about such somewhere.....
cooperation and all that.....



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Who cares. trump sure isnt interested is he?
The only corruption he is interested in is the corruption that will cloud the water before election day.
He doesnt care a fig about corruption.. Its his relegion. He cares about getting dirt and he cares about winning.

The Hunter Biden story is dead. Why dont you let it rest. There is nothing to it. There never was anything to it.
The only way to make something of it is to twist the facts and lie.


So Biden isnt going to testify as requested, got it.

Vindman doesnt have to testify in public either correct? We may find out he is the illegal leaker.....

Lolz🤪



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Its not my opinion, its vindmans own words!



See how he says he counseled to stay of of US domestic politics?

And here.



He says again he would not counsel someone to get involved in US politics.

Just becaise he tries to defend himself saying this was disobeying trumps policy doesnt mean that is true.

He told ius exactly what he counseled his counter part on, and that was to not investigate anything to do with Joe biden because he thought that would be interference in domestic politics



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

You are just flat out a liar.
/
The source says what leschenko did, I showed what he did as well.

You just didnt read it.

Quoting a foreign politician saying they interfered in the election to help hillary win is not an opinion, its a fact.

Do you honestly not see the difference.

I again repeat, thats pathetic.


SO, you’re going to do the “I know you are but what am I” gambit again?

Well, at least that will bore me enough to stop bothering with this conversation in which you have routinely misrepresented the sources THAT YOU POST ON THE SCREEN.

You post one thing and then tell us it means something RADICALLY different.

Did Paul Manafort’s departure help elect Clinton? Did it harm the Trump Campaign? Is that your claim? LOL

Trump disagrees with you:




“People knew that" Manafort had worked for the Ukrainian government before joining his presidential campaign, the president said. Trump then went on to downplay Manafort's role in his election. "He was replaced long before the election. You know that, right? He was replaced long before the election. When all of this stuff started coming out, it came out during the election. But Paul Manafort, who’s a good man also, by the way -- Paul Manafort was replaced long before the election took place. He was only there for a short period of time," Trump said.


Source

This is a waste of time.



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