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The Hopey Changey President versus the Drain the Swamp President

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posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: tanstaafl
Amazing he claims lobbying a corrupt government is a problem but then his solution is to give government even more power! You can't make this sh*t up...
Men are corruptible. Government is run by men. The easiest way to keep corruption in check is to keep government as small as possible.


Yes, all forms of government are corrupt. But having small or no government does not solve government corruption. Small governments can be just as corrupt as large governments.

The size of government is irrelevant. What we need is government that isn't rigged to serve only the billionaires.

We can certainly try to appeal to the better angels of the billionaires and CEOs when it comes to their obligations to our workers and communities. But so far appealing to people's better angels hasn't seemed to work. So socialist public policies, that is bigger government, seems to be the only answer.




posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Corporations only exist laws. Why can't we have a law to address the obscene levels of inequlaity in this country by saying the upper limit of CEO pay is tied or proportion to the worker's median wage.

"Iger made $65.6m in 2018 – 1,424 times the median salary of a Disney employee.""

Why can't we have a law that says salary is capped at 1000 times the median workers pay?

I'm not talking banning private property. I just think we can have some laws that help keep the system in balance. The idea we can't have any laws addressing wealth inequality in this country to me is an extremist view.


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posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Edumakated

Corporations only exist laws. Why can't we have a law to address the obscene levels of inequlaity in this country by saying the upper limit of CEO pay is tied or proportion to the worker's median wage.

"Iger made $65.6m in 2018 – 1,424 times the median salary of a Disney employee.""

Why can't we have a law that says salary is capped at 1000 time the median workers pay?

I'm not talking banning private property. I just we can have some laws that help keep the system in balance.


It isn't government's place to tell private companies what they can and cannot pay their executives.

If I'm a shareholder of Disney and seen my investment go up say 100x's since Iger has been at the helm, then I may think he is worth $66 million. It is no different than if I own a basketball team and I think Lebron is worth $50 million. Or if I am Nike and I think paying some athlete $20 million to wear my shoes is worth it.

It is none of your god damn business unless you are a shareholder. If you think it is a problem, go buy some Disney shares and when you get a proxy statement in the mail vote not to renew his contract or go to a shareholder meeting and express your disagreement to the Board with his pay package. Otherwise STFU as it doesn't concern you.



posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

I knew Trump would fail. This is because I'm not a moron.

Ummm... are you sure about that? I mean, you are wrong, actually. Trump not only hasn't failed, he has succeeded bigly.


Look, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But please enlighten me on Trump's greatest achievements.

I don't think much has changed. Wages may have gone up but so has inflation. Taxes have been cut but also many deductions have been removed.

I think unless we have a flat rate tax it's really impossible to know if we are making any progress on taxes. The same is true with wages. It seems every year the amount of out pocket expenses I have for healthcare is skyrocketing way faster than any of my wage increases. For me, the Trump presidency has felt like a pay cut.



posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

It absolutely is the government's place to dictate how corporations operate in this country. Obviously you are an extremist.



posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I agree with you all government is the problem.


originally posted by: dfnj2015
Government is the ONLY ANSWER.

You contradict yourself and make absolutely no sense. Why are you trying to tell us what to believe?

Why would you presume there is only one kind of government. Government is the problem. Government is the answer. Both can be true.

False. If government=problem then government cannot=solution.


There are laws that enslave men.


Written by men and women in what we call government. Yet you want MORE. Still non-sensical so I refute your views forthwith and post haste in perpetuity.!
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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe the problems of our country are NOT the people on the bottom.

Why can't they get a job?
Why can't they put an effort into getting an education?
Why can't they set aside their lifestyle for a few years in order to gain a career?


Contrary to your delusional right wing thinking there are two parts to this equation. It's not only just how much money you make, what also matters in equal proportion is the purchasing power of your take home pay. Talking about one without the other means you are moron in my opinion. Both are equally important.

This proves with have no free-market capitalism in this country to wring out the inefficiencies of exorbitant CEO pay and excessive dividend payouts:

Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

There are lots of measurements you can use to prove the economy is going great or poorly. It comes down to how your own personal values define what is important.

You literally just went on an autistic rant over my post, but declined to answer the 3 simple questions I posed. Congratulations for promoting ignorance.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Edumakated

It absolutely is the government's place to dictate how corporations operate in this country. Obviously you are an extremist.







posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Edumakated
It absolutely is the government's place to dictate how corporations operate in this country. Obviously you are an extremist.


Govt needs to do more "dictating" to CNN and MSNBC.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 07:37 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
Look, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But please enlighten me on Trump's greatest achievements.

Enlighten yourself...


I don't think much has changed. Wages may have gone up but so has inflation.

For the first time in a long time, wage increases have far outstripped inflation.


Taxes have been cut but also many deductions have been removed.

I saw a huge tax cut/increase in take home pay. Huge. Mainly because of my three kids.


I think unless we have a flat rate tax it's really impossible to know if we are making any progress on taxes.

I'd be much happier with a 10% flat tax.

Make a Billion dollars last year? Pay $100 Million in taxes.

Make $50,000 last year? Pay $5,000 in taxes.

Nothing could be more fair.


The same is true with wages. It seems every year the amount of out pocket expenses I have for healthcare is skyrocketing way faster than any of my wage increases.

If you are someone who has a lot of health problems, then you have my sympathy... but not my permission to steal my money to pay for your health care. There are a lot of charities and charitable hospitals out there.

One thing I'd love to see is dollar for dollar tax credits for Doctors and Hospitals who treat people who cannot afford it for free or vastly reduced fees.


For me, the Trump presidency has felt like a pay cut.

Is it possible that you are among those who saw a hug pay cut by the removal of some of the ridiculous tax credits that resulted in people who pay NO taxes actually getting huge 'refunds'? Or you saw your welfare benefits cuts? I don't know. I don't know how those benefits have been affected, because I've never used them.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
It isn't government's place to tell private companies what they can and cannot pay their executives.

Well...

In reality, any business that operates a a 'legal fiction' - corporations, LLCs, etc - exist by virtue of governmental privilege.

It actually is the governments place to regulate them - and yes, because legal fictions are not living breathing people, they do not have Rights like people do.

This is in fact one of the big problems plaguing our system. The Supreme Court decisions that have 'granted' person hood to corporations must be over turned, as they are an abomination to decency and common sense.

Today, a Corporation has more Rights than people do, and that is simply wrong



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