Alabama man arrested for slashing baby Trump Balloon .

I am just trying to figure out how you have so little understanding of the first amendment.

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: redmage


So far you’ve proven your opinion to be irrelevant.

Sounds a lot like you are saying her opinion is null and void.

Uh oh.....

People are letting their political bias get in the way of rational thinking.

Crime is a crime. Just because someone does something that you agree with doesn't make it somehow less of a crime.

a reply to: Grambler

I would feel the same way if they floated a huge MAGA balloon.

I don't consider wearing clothing as offensive (unless it says "Auburn"). Go ahead and wear a cap that says "Never Trump" all you want; I won't care. A cap does not a protest make.

BTW, it is not a MAGA hat; it's a MAGA cap. I wear a hat... a 5X Stetson.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Fallingdown
Yeah it is comedy gold I’ve got 4 to 5 are you on the hook. I’m loving every minute of it.

That's the most precious part. You actually seem to believe the circular logic you're spouting while the reality of the situation is flying over your head.

I've gotta admit, your sheer dedication would actually be admirable if only you were able to form a logical argument to get behind.

a reply to: TheRedneck

fair enough

but many people feel just as angry and infringed pon by a maga CAP (Maga stetson would be cool) as you do a ballon.

a reply to: redmage

That the second or third time you said circular logic ? 🤦‍♂️

I’ll discussed the logic behind my argument again when I know I’m discussing it with a rational and honest person.

I’ve got a few questions like this that I ask people on the left.

For some reason even though the answer is painfully obvious. They just can’t get over their petty hatred and give trump any tiny bit of credit .

It’s like a disease .

Why in the hell would anyone want to be in a discussion with someone who is so full of spite and anger that they wouldn’t listen to anything you had to say anyway ? ( not addressed directly at you just the angry left )

Their whole life is consumed with “ Orange man bad “.

It’s almost like they would rather have children at risk for slave or sex trafficking .

Just so Trump could be wrong .

Was trumps policy of gene testing immigrant children before release to help insure they aren’t victims of slave or sex trafficking a good thing yes or no ?

I want to know who I’m talking to before I go any further .

It’s all about character .

Pick one word .....

Yes or No



Christ lady it’s one of two words yes or no .

a reply to: Grambler

violation of my first amendment rights for anyone to not listen to me

I’m getting bored so now I’ll address your nonsense .

Link me to where I said it was a violation of Hoyt’s constitutional rights if people didn’t listen to him .


I’m not interested in your assumption. Show me where I said that . Hmmmmm?

For the left leaning members against the balloon popping, ask yourself a simple question. If someone on the left popped the balloon of say, Adam Shiff, Hillary or Obama would you feel the same way now? I don't believe any of you will. I see tons of goal moving when violence takes place on your side. Hiding it under 'protesting', 'protesting foreign government intervention' , 'Obama is out of office' or Shiff 'just doing his job'. What he did was no where near the same level as bike lock attacker, burning cars, breaking windows on business etc we saw right before Trump took office.

if anything, hope it happens, again, and again and again.

a reply to: Grambler

Apparently quite a few, judging by how many times people have been attacked over them. But does wearing a cap make one a protestor? At one time I wore a cap that proudly proclaimed "Bumper to Bumper" across the front (referencing a local auto parts store). Was I a protestor for auto parts? People around here wear "John Deere" caps all the time... are they protesting for John Deere?

MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again." Finding that offensive tells me the one offended wants America to be less than great, which in turn means they want Americans to suffer needlessly. In that sense, I find anyone attacking a MAGA cap as protesting, not the person wearing it. The choice of clothing is a personal preference, not a protest.

On the other hand, flying a balloon the size of a parade balloon is indeed protesting, especially when it is specifically designed to antagonize a particular group. Flying it in the midst of a public event where one is pretty certain the majority of those in attendance will take offense is certainly protesting, as well as being stupendously brain-deficient. How you can reconcile wearing a cap with demonstrating a parade-sized balloon to a non-political event with the express purpose of offending everyone there is beyond me. One is freedom of speech; the other is attempting to incite a riot.

As I said, someone should be thanking their lucky stars he went after the balloon and not them. I do not condone his actions, but I certainly understand them.

Oh, and I have considered finding a way to get the "MAGA" lettering on my Stetson, without ruining it for after the election of course since a hat lasts me ten years or so. Perhaps a hatband... but I pray that, if I ever figure a way to do it, no one decides to grab it off my head. The results would be less than pleasurable. Grabbing that hat has caused more than a few bar brawls and several instances of people attacking my fist with their face.

TheRedneck

a reply to: RetsuUnohana

if anything, hope it happens, again, and again and again.

Never fear... according to what little I have read in this thread, it will and worse.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Fallingdown

Link me to where I said it was a violation of Hoyt’s constitutional rights if people didn’t listen to him .

Have Hoyt's Constitutional rights been violated?

Simple question.

a reply to: TheRedneck

But does wearing a cap make one a protestor?

It depends on intent, and time/place, no?

If I wear a F Trump hat in general, it's expression. If I wear it to a Trump rally, it's a form of protest. Similarly, if someone wears a MAGA hat to a Dem candidate rally, it could be a form or protest, just as simply wearing a MAGA hat in general is expression.

To be a protest it would have to, well protest, or be against, something (baby Trump blimp at a Trump rally). Otherwise it would just be in support of something (MAGA hat at a Trump rally).

Then again, it can be both expression and protest, I suppose, in general.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: RetsuUnohana

if anything, hope it happens, again, and again and again.

Never fear... according to what little I have read in this thread, it will and worse.

TheRedneck

Right when Trump was elected, you remember that one incident in LA? blond chick was attacked/harassed by random mob of men in a circle and no one would open the door for her. They trashed talked her, cornered her and threw eggs over her. Many took glee over that and just said 'its eggs' no big deal. You have to wonder how they would have reacted if there were no cameras? All she did was leave the convention.

a reply to: Liquesence

they haven’t been violated but some people in this thread think they should have.



I answered your question .

Now explain to me why Hoyts actions fighting against socialist and a centralized government . Along with increased taxation from programs like the green new deal and Medicaid for everyone .

Are different than the Boston tea party members fighting against a oppressive government and excessive taxes .

I brought the Boston tea party up on the first page. It’s about time you got around to a satisfactory answer for your claim that they are completely different .


BTW

Some of you might’ve noticed by now. I give truthful answers to questions but it has not been a two way door .

originally posted by: Fallingdown
I want to know who I’m talking to before I go any further .

You're talking to someone who has been an ATS member (and lurker before that) for almost 20 years total, and I'm not gonna play your little "yes or no" games, kiddo.

Are you honestly asking if I trust the Federal Government to responsibly handle a DNA database? LMAO

Trump has no bearing on the answer to that question. My answer has been the same to that question since way before Trump even considered running for office, and the fact that he's in it right now has zero chance of of changing my mind.

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: Grambler

violation of my first amendment rights for anyone to not listen to me

I’m getting bored so now I’ll address your nonsense .

Link me to where I said it was a violation of Hoyt’s constitutional rights if people didn’t listen to him .


I’m not interested in your assumption. Show me where I said that . Hmmmmm?

Here was the first time you alluded to it

I wouldn’t like their actions but I would acknowledge their point even though I didn’t like that either. Because not acknowledging it denies them of their first amendment rights

You havent acknowledged the ponts i made in my videos, hence you violated my first amendment right.

When discussing antifa

Yes I do that’s been my point. At least I’m honest about it. I’ve already said earlier they deserve to be heard I might not like what they have to say but they have the right to say it . If they are committing a criminal act they can be arrested but that does not diminish the way they feel . Which should give us all the more reason to listen .

More from you

Does he have the right to be heard yes or no ?

You said this comment denied hoyt his rights

There you go gambler she just denied his rights .


Sorry, but denying other people their right to freedom of expression does not qualify as freedom of expression for the denier.

Here is you discussing what would be a violation of h8is rights

There’s plenty of people worldwide in jail for speaking their political thoughts . Does that mean we shouldn’t listen to them ?

a reply to: Fallingdown

I brought the Boston tea party up on the first page. It’s about time you got around to a satisfactory answer for your claim that they are completely different .

You did. It was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now, and has been answered by myself and others.

Are different than the Boston tea party members fighting against a oppressive government and excessive taxes .

Hoyt is not fighting an oppressive government. He destroyed private property, which has nothing to do with government, only because he was butthurt and triggered.

Hoyt destroyed private property because he was triggered by lefties, which had nothing to do with the making a statement against government.

Along with increased taxation from programs like the green new deal and Medicaid for everyone .

So he destroys private property, which has nothing to do with the above. Do you not understand how ridiculous this argument is?

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: Liquesence

they haven’t been violated but some people in this thread think they should have.

You claimed earlier that one poster already denied Hoyts rights.

There you go gambler she just denied his rights .

so much for this claim

Some of you might’ve noticed by now. I give truthful answers to questions but it has not been a two way door .

a reply to: Fallingdown

they haven’t been violated but some people in this thread think they should have.

How? Destruction of property is not a right, nor is it protected speech.

If you admit his Constitutional rights have not been violated why in the hell do you keep talking about rights violations, since this thread is, in fact, about Hoyt?