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Let's play a quick game: "Who's really a Nazi?"

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posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: JohnProctor

I like the ''what if I'm wrong'' perspective. What does it mean?

As you say about abortion is how I would like all of us to think about it. Actually, again as you say, thinking like that is good for us, it allows us to grow and develop in ways that just ''believing'' we know what is true will not allow. This goes back to the ''I prefer not to believe'' that we were talking about earlier.

Our thoughts on allowing who's rights supersede in the case of a woman and a fetus depend highly upon our understanding of what is human, This goes as well to the larger issues that you have discussed. What is human.

If we hold as our base of thinking about humans the premise of divine creation and the 6000 year plan then naturally it would follow that the rights of the fetus would supersede a woman's rights. Naturally though not necessarily.

Under this 6000 year plan, it is necessary to inject the notion of Satan who God, for his reasons, allows to hold power over God's children and to play out the scheme of the devil and God's children to toil and suffer with little knowledge of what is really happening to them. I say this because with this notion of the devil it is only those who believe in the Bible who have any believe in that devil. And even then that has only been for 2000 years and at that only a small portion of the human spectrum. I reject this.

Now if I am wrong about this then, well, I guess I'm going to hell. But if I'm right then I have freed myself from a 2000 year long fallacy that has prevented millions and millions of God's children from moving forward in their psychological and spiritual development. If I'm right then God is not a cuckold God held in check by some fallen angel that is the antithesis of all that is good, right and just. This just is not a God I would like to live with forever in Heaven.

This premise also suggests that every single act of copulation is done either in respect to God or allows the devil to insert his will into the conception and birth of every single baby. Original sin. And here again I reject this notion. What does it matter about a few fetus's in this day of abortive ability when compared to 6000 years of God's allowing for 99% of his children to be born into slavery to a maniac angel and not even knowing it.

Looking at the human picture under the premise of a 3,000,000 year plan offers a widely different perspective. This premise suggests that one of if not the strongest drive of procreation stems from the build in natural process of cells needing to multiply. Our sex drive is a built in engine for our cells and our bodies to make more of us. As often as possible.

This drive is what causes people to have sex regardless of the outcome. Not all of us of course but by and large most of us. Historically forever.

At this point I basically punt to the meme that if a baby is not wanted then what is lost if a fetus is terminated. What we have lost is one more child that will not receive what it needs in the way of motherly support. This can be countered by the ''she can put the baby out for adoption argument''. And while I support this option as well, it also relegates the birth mother to nothing more than incubator status, and that is not enough for me to invalidate a woman's right to her own bodily choices.


And my anti-human statementg. isn't necessarily about abortion. It's about the push for depopulation in the name of saving the planet. Think about what that would mean if that was wrong.


If it is wrong then it is an attempt of the elites to get rid of all the rest of us so that they can have the planet to themselves and their robots.

But if it is right then it is an attempt to recognize that species that have historically out-grown their habitats have suffered greatly from that over population and that we as humans might possibly have the foresight to curb that overpopulation before it is terminal.



What I see a lot of in the modern left is projection. They hate the human race, they hate the United States, they hate the family, but most importantly they hate themselves for being any or all of these things. They become social suicide bombers.


Or maybe they don't hate the human race or the United States or the family or themselves but rather have a different understanding of what the human race etc is all about. And while I agree that there are indications that aspects of modern society are demonstrating tendencies that can act as social suicide bombers, I do not hold that they are leftist. I hold that they are products of 3,000,000 years of development and are now part of a rapidly changing social habitat ans structure, just as are those who are so staunchly attempting to hold the entire society to premises that were at one time viable but are now way out of tune with the very future that those older paradigms have brought forth. To me, conservatism is the parent of the present and to reject the present is to reject the child of the success of the past.



I saw a lot of argument earlier over George Soros. Sure, he's using well funded organizations to disseminate Nazi like tactics into society; propaganda and disinformation, it's nothing new.

I agree, but only if we do not limit those well funded attempts to disseminate authoritarianism into society. Limiting these attempts to just Soros, or even for that matter to political propaganda is just to myopic for me to consider.



What would be new is if people took personal responsibility for their beliefs and actually thought them through; not acting as a collectivist or a cult member, but really thought about what they believe and why.

Ah , yes, I agree completely. But to this I would add that from what I understand about humans historically is that we have always been collective. Tribal. And while we both now abhor cults, I recognize that people in cults are people who have managed to separate themselves from many of the things that we both object to in this modern world but in that rejection have fallen under the grasp of one more totalitarian.

Why is it that only white people are racist?
They aren't
Why is it that only men are sexist?
They aren't
Why is it that only Christians should have their religious rights repealed?
They aren't
Why should nations rip down their borders?
They shouldn't be
Why should everyone be disarmed?
We shouldn't be
Why should Free Speech become illegal?
It shouldn't be
Why should there be less humans?
Lightly covered above
Why should I be silenced for disagreeing with these things?
You shouldn't be.



There's a pointed and shaped agenda being rammed down our throats. It has a purpose. It has a reason. All I'm asking is that people think about it. We are being told to not reproduce or have families, not have rights or a nation, not have a means to self defense, not have a right to speak our minds...just not exist.
I have to look at that and say there is a pattern to this propaganda and that it is evil.


Here I disagree strongly. Yes there is an agenda. Yes it has a purpose and a reason. And yes we should think about it.
But we are not being told to reproduce, it is being suggested that we curb our reproductive tendencies that have held us in thrall for millions of years so that we don't out grow our habitat. And part of this is allowing a woman's right to her own body.




posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

To me this is a lot less authoritarian than policing our bedrooms and telling everyone just how to control our sexual urges.
As well, I don't see that we are being told not to have families. I see that this is still incouraged. But what I do see is that our economic situation is not allowing many people to have those families where children can be nurtured to the extent that they need because both parents need to work. Work all the time to even put food on the table and that as cheap as can be managed.

Oh man, John, Look at Mr. Verbose here, I have extended this diatribe far to longer than I guess I could succinctly handle so for that I apologize. As well I have fallen short of truly expressing my thoughts but maybe If we could take this discussion in smaller bites we could do better for ourselves hey?

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posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 07:06 PM
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Nazis were German soldiers during World War II end of story.



posted on Nov, 11 2019 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Miami1995

Not all Axis soldiers were Nazis or even German.

That was the domain of the SS and Gestapo.

The German Army was the land forces component of the Wehrmacht.
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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:26 AM
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Nazi is a term the liberal left use for anyone they disagree with.

To them nazi is evil white policy and people

Even jews can be nazis o the left.

The left hate the term thug or even terrorist because it has a connotation of a person of color.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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Let's play a quick game: "Who's really a Nazi?"


Anyone who believes the state should control everything there is in the name of saving the planet.

YOUR A NAZI.

Anyone who believes disarming an entire population because of FEAR MONGERING.

YOUR A NAZI.

Anyone that doesn't believe in FREEDOM of speech. That inalienable right to way whatever the EFF you want.

YOUR A NAZI.

Anyone that believes destroying entire industrys like Fossil Fuel, and healthcare.

YOUR A NAZI.

Anyone that believes in destroying cultural artifacts like Statues and monuments because they're represent inconvient truths of historical significance.

Your a NAZI.

Of course the people that DO believe in that snip weren't getting punched in the Streets, and chanting Naztee's must die.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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Nazi were just bunch of imperialists, with liberitarian views an a superiority complex who wanted to return Germany back into power to duke it out with Britain again.

Neo Nazis are folks who would of loved to lost the war, although I'm pretty sure it would be Japanese would of been the national lingo.
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posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: JohnProctor
"Nazi" is thrown around allot in these discussions, so let's see who really is closer to one.


Your whole thread proves you don't know what a Nazi is. You have no clue.


Let's play a game.....

Who's the OP that doesn't have a clue?


JohnProctor/JustJohnny/HanyManny.

He's not creative one bit with his new screen names.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: JohnProctor

Not to beleaguer the point but your OP is a classic example of Nazi conceptualizations in the quest to 'otherize' your opponents and thus deal with them without the trappings of morality getting in the way.

If the goal of your post was as a subtle sarcastic jab at Nazi's while pretending to be one yourself then I'd say bravo!



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: JohnProctor
"Nazi" is thrown around allot in these discussions, so let's see who really is closer to one.

Do you believe more to total government power will make a better society?

Do you believe some speech, thoughts, and ideas should become illegal and punishable?

Do you think citizens should be disarmed?

Do you believe the unborn is not human and can be eradicated?

Do you believe depopulation is a good thing?

Do believe those who dissagree you on these ideas should be silenced?

If you answered "yes" to all of these, congratulations! You're more a Nazi then you thought!

If you answered "no" then congratulations! You're a conservative or a libertarian!

I hope that clears some things up. You may now all resume with the endless arguing.


Your description could fit Mao's China and Stalin's Russia and all other communist regime.


We have a winner, the "liberal progressives/democratic socialists" (i.e. socialists and wannabe communists) answer yes to all. The OP just got his evil political structures mixed up. I hate Illinois Nazis BTW.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: JohnProctor

Don't you have to believe in National Socialism/fascism to be a nazi or is this one of those things the far-left gets confused like men and women?



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

Actually they are really easy to identify.



nazis have to be anti-capitalists/anti-imperialists...

nazis have to be environmental extremists, wanting to give more rights to animals and nature than to humans...

nazis have to be in favor of "worker's rights", which is a socialist/communist belief/policy...

nazis have to belief in eugenics, population control, and depopulation...

nazis have to be against a race/racist no matter what that race is...

nazis don't believe in freedom of speech of those whom disagree with them...






edit on 12-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Okay, but you're missing the personal love and adoration for Adolf Hitler and a belief in the Supremacy of the Germanic Aryan Race.

Both of those are pretty important in National Socialism last I checked.


Actually to be a nazi you don't have to believe in the "supremacy of the germanic race"

Gandhi himself was a national socialist whom believed that only natives of India should live there, and all other people/races had to leave India.

There are people of all races whom describe themselves as national socialists.



Gandhian socialism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centres on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.

Federation of political and economical power and demonstrating a traditionalist reluctance towards the modernisation of technology and large scale industrialisation whilst emphasising self-employment and self-reliance are key features of Gandhian socialism.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee of the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and other party leaders incorporated Gandhian socialism as one of the concepts for the party.
...

Gandhian socialism


National Socialist Party
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

National Socialist Party or Nazi Party may refer to:

National Socialist German Workers' Party, more commonly known as the Nazi Party

Asia

Chinese National Socialist Party, China (democratic socialist, unrelated to the NSDAP)
Iranian National Socialist Party[/] (est. 1952) (pro-Hitler, antisemitic (both anti-Arab and antisemitic))
Jatiyo Samajtantrik Dal (National Socialist Party), Bangladesh (socialist)
National Revolutionary Socialist Party, India (Marxist/Leftist)
National Socialism Association, Taiwan, National Socialist
National Socialist Council of Nagaland, India (Maoist)
National Socialist Japanese Workers' Party, Japan (nationalist)
National Socialist Party (Jordan), 1954-1957 (socialist)
National Socialist Party (Thailand), 1957–58 (pro-military)
National Socialist Party of Tripura, India (Tripuri nationalist)
Syrian Social Nationalist Party (secular, nationalist, pro-Syria, fascist)
Tōhōkai, Japan, National Socialist
...

National Socialist Party

The one thing in common with ALL "national socialists" is that they all have socialist beliefs/policies


edit on 12-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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BTW... to this day nazis are anti-Israel, and bash at Israel while defending those whom attack, through terrorism, Israel and her people...



posted on Nov, 12 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: JohnProctor
"Nazi" is thrown around allot in these discussions, so let's see who really is closer to one.

Do you believe more to total government power will make a better society?
Do you believe some speech, thoughts, and ideas should become illegal and punishable?
Do you think citizens should be disarmed?
Do you believe the unborn is not human and can be eradicated?
Do you believe depopulation is a good thing?
Do believe those who dissagree you on these ideas should be silenced?
If you answered "yes" to all of these, congratulations! You're more a Nazi then you thought!
If you answered "no" then congratulations! You're a conservative or a libertarian!
I hope that clears some things up. You may now all resume with the endless arguing.


Your description could fit Mao's China and Stalin's Russia and all other communist regime.


We have a winner, the "liberal progressives/democratic socialists" (i.e. socialists and wannabe communists) answer yes to all. The OP just got his evil political structures mixed up. I hate Illinois Nazis BTW.

Who would ever, say 30 years ago, have this thought as a valid/true statement in 2019: "Don't trust anyone under 30". The Z generation and Millennial's are the least cool stodgy backward thinking since the Spanish Inquisition; Mao's taming of the luckless/humorless but ribald Peoples of China; Stalin's enslavement of Eastern Europe. Who in their right minds would want them as parents?
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posted on Nov, 13 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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I was listening to Clyde Lewis on Radio Ground Zero. He had a call from a stoner head case who was repeating leftist mantra about the need for depopulation, veganism, climate control and the NWO. Earth's human sustainability was only 25 million people and the over population of the earth was causing it to wobble on its axis helping to further global warming. He wanted people to stop breeding and seemed honestly to believe that they would. Insane.




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