For anyone who has ever criticized communism this communist propaganda will change your mind

a reply to: DBCowboy

They can't get any more corrupt than socialism.

Owning the means of production!

EVERYTHING.

a reply to: neo96

There are actual people who say our government is corrupt and bad, so their solution is to give government more power, more money, more control, more authority, in order to fix it.

It's like trying to treat an alcoholic by giving him a liquor store.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Or battered wife syndrome.

originally posted by: Anathros
Anyone that believes government is a solution is part of the problem.

Corrupt Corporations and Corrupt Banks that infest our government are not the solution either.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Communism leads to destruction of will and harms all touched by it. I have been to China three times and met many people there who all HATE communism and communist government. The majority population in China absolutely hate the leftists in America as well, because they remind them of their own communist government, and they see them doing the same things their own government does.

What does that tell you? Did you know that the majority of Chinese people in China support Trump because he also despises communism and socialism? When Trump does things that leftists here claim harmed China, or the Chinese government's goals, they cheered Trump's actions with great joy? They did, and they do.

What does that tell you about communism?

Communism as you say takes away people freedoms.
In Communist China, no better example exist than 250 million citizens being forced off their lands and sent to make widgets in the cities. Labor with no rights is a profiteers dream.

So how come so many Capitalists are hypocrites by hopping in bed with Communist China?

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: dfnj2015
So you implement communism, and it works great under one guy. What about the next guy, or the guy after him?
And then, how would you stop it when the system eventually turned against the people?

I said I was a socialist not a communist. To repeat what I said I believe government has a role in addressing the excesses of laissez faire capitalism. The problems with our country are NOT rocket science. The billionaires pay the lobbyists to force the politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

We have communism in this country and a single party rule by the lobbyists. The problem is the communism we have is NOT in the worker's favor. What we have is corporation communism which only serves the billionaires and fat-cats.

Obviously you think our current system of laissez faire capitalism is an end-all be-all perfect system. Obviously you okay with the corporations gouging the consumer while using data from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics to price fix wages. I am not.

Contrary to your right wing ideology, the facts simply do not match your right wing delusions:

Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

You can use derogatory labels all you want. But in the end money talks and everything you post is pure BS.

"The profiteers in America today enjoy the best of Communism and Capitalism.
They enjoy the benefits from labor with no rights and control over our government while enjoying the ability to own the business and profits under Capitalism.

Kick the profiteers out of China and our government and they would scream bloody murder.

"Finland has once again been ranked as the happiest country in the world. The Nordic nation received the accolade for the second year in succession in the annual survey of global happiness from the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network."

Happiest. 2018 and 2019. I call BS. Finland is not a communist nation but we have many elements of socialism.

Breadlines are long in every major city, once or a couple of times a week. Corporation shareholders make millions of euros while our post office workers are so kicked in the head via low wages, that they may go on a 2 week strike tomorrow.

I see illness and despair a lot. In myself, too. People like us, have no motivation to fill these surveys. I had it via post, and couldn't care less.

I just refuse to believe that Finland is really the happiest nation, because then all other nations would be even unhappier than what i see daily. Can't be so!

Sigh.

It is the age old argument of the benefit and freedom of individualism versus the limitations of collectivism. Working to improve your situation or just accepting your fate that all you will have is what was allotted to you.

Sorry, I would rather fail as a carpenter, a blacksmith, a machinist and artist then to be nothing but a fish monger for all my days because that was what the collective needed and all I was allowed to be.

Wow, I just learned I’ve had at least 10x the amount of orgasms that a normal person has in a lifetime. Life for me is either really, really good or I need some serious help. So confused now.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Communism leads to destruction of will and harms all touched by it. I have been to China three times and met many people there who all HATE communism and communist government. The majority population in China absolutely hate the leftists in America as well, because they remind them of their own communist government, and they see them doing the same things their own government does.

What does that tell you? Did you know that the majority of Chinese people in China support Trump because he also despises communism and socialism? When Trump does things that leftists here claim harmed China, or the Chinese government's goals, they cheered Trump's actions with great joy? They did, and they do.

What does that tell you about communism?

So how come so many Capitalists are hypocrites by hopping in bed with Communist China?

Because they only care about themselves and their own goal in pursuit of money. But that isn't only a capitalist thing, it's the way of the human race in general. To become better than that takes a personal choice, and that also has a big cost associated with it, usually sacrificing something or a lot of things.

a reply to: dfnj2015

financing. We have communism in this country and a single party rule by the lobbyists. The problem is the communism we have is NOT in the worker's favor. What we have is corporation communism which only serves the billionaires and fat-cats.

So you think we have communism in this country, but it’s not the right kind of communism ... epic fail...reds always seem to think that of only we do this it that it will finally be the right kind of communism... and let’s just forget the part where you said you’re not communist just socialist ...
😂

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Blueracer
a reply to: dfnj2015
Remove thy head from government's arse and be free.

Perhaps you pass that message on to all the trump supporters.

No, you first.

I definitely believe in breaking up corporate trusts that make it impossible for other companies to compete. Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and Apple should be forced to sell off major portions of their assets at fair market value. They also happen to be extremely dangerous due to their heavy involvement in politics, which corporations should avoid.

Competition is necessary for capitalism to provide the most benefit to the people. Capitalism, in general, provides more options and personal freedom for consumers, certainly more than socialism. I can’t imagine a truly socialist society having the unparalleled level of innovation and variety of products and services enjoyed here in America. Just about every great invention in the last 600 years came from capitalist societies.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: dfnj2015
So you implement communism, and it works great under one guy. What about the next guy, or the guy after him?
And then, how would you stop it when the system eventually turned against the people?

I said I was a socialist not a communist. To repeat what I said I believe government has a role in addressing the excesses of laissez faire capitalism. The problems with our country are NOT rocket science. The billionaires pay the lobbyists to force the politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

We have communism in this country and a single party rule by the lobbyists. The problem is the communism we have is NOT in the worker's favor. What we have is corporation communism which only serves the billionaires and fat-cats.

Obviously you think our current system of laissez faire capitalism is an end-all be-all perfect system. Obviously you okay with the corporations gouging the consumer while using data from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics to price fix wages. I am not.

Contrary to your right wing ideology, the facts simply do not match your right wing delusions:

Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

You can use derogatory labels all you want. But in the end money talks and everything you post is pure BS.

You claim the system is not free, yet if I wanted to, I could go out there and be innovative, make a billion dollars for myself and live like a king, with nothing to stop me from ding this.

In fact, under capitalism, anyone can prosper from hard work.

Under your preferred system, I have to do all this hard work, then give it away to those people who sit around all day, on their fat asses in hip cafes, drinking soy lattes, talking about how unfair life is when you don't want to work for a living..lol

originally posted by: mtnshredder
Wow, I just learned I’ve had at least 10x the amount of orgasms that a normal person has in a lifetime. Life for me is either really, really good or I need some serious help. So confused now.

Now you know where the saying " get your hand off it" comes from, Mrs Palmer and her 5 helpers have been busy...

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

The way I see it, the time for sacrifice is coming.

We still have a choice about how, when, and what we sacrifice. That ability to choose will soon be out of our hands.

We know we that our present way of life is at risk, sitting around, doing nothing, and expecting the government to rescue us is likely to lead to a lot of underserved, unhappy, and hungry people.

I have seen the outcomes of the increase of government control in our lives, and it has not made me hopeful, it has made me fearful.

originally posted by: Plotus
As in socialism, communism has the propensity for some to be slackers where the many work hard towards a goal and a few game the system. Do you agree or not ?? Capitalism is all based on productivity. Make more, sell more, get paid more. Of course these are simple examples and in practice each is more involved.

Actually having had close friends in East Germany, and having been there a few times, I have to agree that communism stops people from working altogether.
How? Well, they got paid a certain amount and no effort on the workers side would ever raise their salary. Guess what people do who don't get recognised for doing hard work...they just don't work hard. What for?
All stagnates, builders take months to fix your appliances. You had to put your name down for a car at birth, so you could get a random coloured/shaped Trabant 18 years later [that's how long the waiting list was].
Can't listen to music from other places that are not communist.
Friendly people coming to your house, asking you who you will vote for and making sure you answer correctly.
No fruit from abroad, apple and gooseberry ice creams, cola slurry from soda crystals [lol].
Black and white small TV for no less than 10.000 Mark [couldn't convert it but it must have been at least £1000+], no fashion, you want fashion? You cue up for hours to get communist sewing patterns. Ha.
Going shopping? Well put a warm coat on, the queue is long.
Neighbour grassing you up if they hear you play this non-communist music and all will be confiscated and you'll be on some sort of list.
No discussion of government - the holy, brilliant government that saves us all! [Pfffft]
And more stuff I wouldn't ever want to experience [again].
The only ones living it up with oranges and foreign technology are those at the top. Nice villas, all mod cons. The rest living in #ty squalor where nothing works because nobody can be arsed.


OP is a kid with no experience of any actual real life communism.Any people who have lived under a communist regime will never, ever suggest this as a good idea. Only dreamers and young people will fall for the same crap that made it possible for communism to raise it's ugly head before. Maybe if these kids wouldn't want history always erased, they could actually read up on it and learn from it. But noooo, they think they know better.

How stupid must you be, really?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

People are too dumb.

They'll have to learn the hard way. They'll cling to what they feel they're entitled to right up until they can't get anything anymore and then it will be a disaster for everyone.

In short, no one learned the lesson of the goose with the golden eggs, and they're slowly strangling the goose right now. They won't get more gold from it at the end, only a ton of pain, misery, and heartbreak.

You can tell them until you're blue in the face what's coming, but they refuse to believe you. Or worse, some do, but they figure any bad effects will happen long after they're gone, so why should they sacrifice now? They're almost worse than the idiots.

a reply to: dfnj2015

My reason for replying to your OP (and a few other of your replies) is your use of term; "Laissez-faire capitalism". Just as there has never been a "true" communist nation, "Laissez-faire capitalism" only existed in the United States for two years (1789 to 1791). The Whiskey Tax (and the subsequent Whiskey Rebellion) ended "Laissez-faire capitalism" in the United States of America.

Laissez-faire capitalism ends when the government (federal, state or local) implements such things as:
1. - Graduated Income Taxes (varying rates based on amount of income).
2. - Taxation of some goods (or services) but not all...and not at the same tax rate.
Examples: Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco products.
3. - The subsidizing of some industries within the economy.
Examples: Oil and Farming
4. - Government Regulations of businesses and business practices.
Examples: EPA and FDA
5. - Business Licenses and/or Certifications required to start or do business.
6. - Government owned businesses
Examples: Amtrak, United States Post Office, Fannie Mae, etc.
7. - Property Taxes (real estate and a few states still have personal property taxes)
8. - Government Bailouts of corporations
9. - Tariffs: The difference in tariff rates between countries on the same kind of product
Example: EU charges 10 percent on American auto imports. The USA charges 2.5 percent on EU auto imports.

I'm sure someone can chime in with a few more. the list above is just off the top of my head.

No doubt that some within the above list may seem necessary (like the EPA and FDA), but their existence is contrary to Laissez-faire capitalism by definition.

When even a blatant clown like takashi 69 can become wealthy, I don't want to hear about the oppressed masses, you're lazy and you don't try, holding yourself back through inaction is your problem, not ours.

Socialism is idiotic and most of the way to communism.

There's a bunch of places in my ex's hometown that were used by the secret police to torture and kill dissidents, 30 years later no one dares go near them. That's communism.

The untied states socialism should begin and end with helping the helpless, not the clueless.