New Impeachment Transcripts Released Today

a reply to: Oraculi

Hearsay isn't evidence and considering how the far left has tainted their credibility with prior "witnesses" no one from the right will believe socialist tactics like this.

a reply to: CrawlingChaos

Did you read it? Because, begging your pardon, it sure sounds like you did not.

What it said regarding trumps campaign and the russians was the evidence was destroyed. The phones were encrypted. The witnesses plead the fifth amendment.
And the witnesses lied.
It outlined hundreds of contacts between trump campaign staffers and russian citizens and government officials.
You should read it before you claim what is in it.
It also left no doubt that it was russia that hacked the DNC, and Russia who released the emails to Wikileaks.
and it is Russia who is suffering sanctions because of it.
It was not the Ukraine. They had zero to do with anything.
The story about Hunter Biden is a made up laughable conspiracy theory that has already been debunked and put to bed.
The impeachment is happening.
And next week it will be painfully obvious what the president has done.

a reply to: CrawlingChaos

Yes. It's all over it. Just read the transcripts of the depositions.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: CrawlingChaos

Yes. It's all over it. Just read the transcripts of the depositions.

It ain't over till it's over... and that ain't necessarily up to the critters running this star chamber... Especially if a duly elected president is impeached under these shady circumstances.

There is only one thing that could get me to vote for Trump next November... can you guess what that is?

I bet you can!

ETA: My apologies and LOL at myself... I totally read your comment wrong! D'oh!!!

Oh well. I'll let it stand.

a reply to: Oraculi

from your OP linked article:

According to transcripts released Friday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, Vindman and Fiona Hill, a former White House Russia adviser, both gave firsthand descriptions of scenes central to the congressional probe.

Vindman testified that Gordon Sondland, a Trump donor serving as ambassador to the European Union, told the visiting officials that if they hoped to win that coveted face-to-face meeting, “the Ukrainians would have to deliver an investigation into the Bidens.”
The Bidens? the House questioners pressed. In the White House Ward Room he mentioned the word “Bidens”?
“To the best of my recollection, yes,”

Quote #1: the 'House Democrats' Impeachment Inquiry' is not Evidence.... but only conjecture/witness drawing conclusions and All the testimony given will be thrown into the trash heap during the Senate Hearings & Discovery Processes...

Quote #2: If Trump asked for the Ukraine to 'investigate' the Biden's (plural, meaning Father-&-Son)
then Trumps request was not for the purpose of De-railing the former V-P Biden from the coming Election Candidancy
-------------->>> But a reasonable deduction would be that Trump was clueing the Ukraine leaders that the two Biden's were engaged in shady corruption which may reflect badly on the Ukraine government as 'paying' large sums to get Political Influence from Joe (VP) Biden by the son Hunter Biden getting a Directors' Board Seat at a Ukraine business venture he was inexperienced with


to my sensibilities, the democrat house impeachment inquiry is fraught with testimony that are false conclusions, misstated facts, opinions, hearsay...even Gossip...and does not rise to the standards of Facts/Data/Evidence needed to arrest anyone for criminal or even civil deeds against the American People or the Office (once awash under the dingy-glow of Rainbow colored flood lights and such)

a reply to: Boadicea

They are going to subpeona John Bolton and when they do they are going to hear about more conversations and schemes that much of the public does not yet know about.

A lawyer for John Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said that Mr. Bolton knows about “many relevant meetings and conversations” that House impeachment investigators have not yet been informed of

www.nytimes.com...

Its not just about a phone call. Or Joe Biden.
Its about extortion and shaking down a government.
The outright abuse of the power of the presidency.

There is no story to uncover. Its a lie.
But trump was willing to pull support and dangle a visit to the white house to get a foreign government to lie about his opponent so he can gain an advantage in the election.. Ha ha if he was sooooooooo sure he was going to win this thing why would he even need this? Its a joke.
The man is running the white house like a mafia don.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Boadicea

They are going to subpeona John Bolton and when they do they are going to hear about more conversations and schemes that much of the public does not yet know about.

That's not how I understand it:

Democrats drop efforts to secure Bolton testimony in impeachment inquiry

House Democrats have signaled they are moving on from their efforts to obtain testimony from former national security adviser John Bolton after they say a lawyer for Bolton threatened to file a lawsuit if their client was subpoenaed.

A lawyer for John Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said that Mr. Bolton knows about “many relevant meetings and conversations” that House impeachment investigators have not yet been informed of

www.nytimes.com...

Apparently those "many relevant meetings and conversations" aren't that relevant to this Star Chamber after all.

There is nothing fair or just about this impeachment inquiry. And my outrage is for us -- We The People -- NOT Trump.

originally posted by: Oraculi
Associated Press

The preponderance of evidence is becoming overwhelming. So far we are seeing evidence of extortion, abuse of power and obstruction of justice from the witnesses. Extortion would fall under Bribery as an article of impeachment and the other two would be as named. There is also, of course, the possibility that the president will give testimony himself, or be asked to give written replies to inquiries, although with all the evidence so far I think that will be completely unnecessary. However, any such development would also create the possibility of lying under oath.

Here are some excerpts from today's transcripts, from Lt. Col. Vindman and Fiona Hill, a White House Russia adviser.

“He was calling for something, calling for an investigation that didn’t exist into the Bidens and Burisma,” Vindman said. “The Ukrainians would have to deliver an investigation into the Bidens.”

Into the Bidens? the investigators pressed.

“To the best of my recollection, yes,” he said. “My visceral reaction to what was being called for suggested that it was explicit. There was no ambiguity.”

Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe, a Texas Republican, sought to portray Trump’s request for a favor in his phone call with the Ukrainian president as falling short of a demand.

But Vindman disagreed.

“When the president of the United States makes a request for a favor, it certainly seems, I would take it as a demand,” he retorted.

Vindman, a veteran of the Iraq War, then added: “Congressman, as a military officer if my superiors tell me to do something, I take that not as a request , I take that as a demand.”

Unless you investigate these people I want you to investigate, I am not giving you any money. (Money that is not mine to give.)

That is extortion.

The Constitution calls it Bribery.

Who did Trump tell that to??? Oh, you're just making it up...I think the Constitution calls it lying when you make things up...

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Boadicea

They are going to subpeona John Bolton and when they do they are going to hear about more conversations and schemes that much of the public does not yet know about.

A lawyer for John Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said that Mr. Bolton knows about “many relevant meetings and conversations” that House impeachment investigators have not yet been informed of

www.nytimes.com...

Its not just about a phone call. Or Joe Biden.
Its about extortion and shaking down a government.
The outright abuse of the power of the presidency.

There is no story to uncover. Its a lie.
But trump was willing to pull support and dangle a visit to the white house to get a foreign government to lie about his opponent so he can gain an advantage in the election.. Ha ha if he was sooooooooo sure he was going to win this thing why would he even need this? Its a joke.
The man is running the white house like a mafia don.

And yet Biden actually did it and not a peep out of you buttplugs...Are all democrats this dishonest...Don't answer that...You'd lie about it anyway...

a reply to: butcherguy

Agreed!! The Demoncrats hold up a mirror every time they speak. If they say they have done it!!

a reply to: butcherguy

Agreed!! The Demoncrats hold up a mirror every time they speak. If they say they have done it!!

Can't imagine why ? .............. 😃

National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien says Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman will be removed from the White House National Security Council

I stopped at "Associated Press"". Just one of the journalistic puppets of the DNC, more like paid for propaganda servicing the DNC. Just like TASS. The AP is the deep state owned wire service but working for the democrat party only.

Have you read what the associated press writers publish?

The title of the thread announces transcripts. Yet...no transcripts. Just more MSM cut-n-paste of bits and pieces of this or that.

What someone thinks about what someone else said even though they weren't there to hear it first hand is not evidence. They actually have words for that sort of thing. Speculation. Conjecture. Bulls***.

It amazes me functioning adults are willing to consider this theater as legitimate. It's a political smoke show. When and if they televise the "inquiry" so it can be held up to scrutiny, then we will have something regardless of how the chips fall.

Until then, the media can continue to show its a** 24/7.

a reply to: Oraculi

Keep on lying. Your "preponderance of evidence" is nothing but CLAIMS made by anti-Trumpers whom have been since day one trying to find ANYTHING to depose the dully elected POTUS.

Socialists/democrats have lied for over 3 years now. From the "Trump colluded with Russia", to "Trump obstructed justice", and everything in between it has all been about LIES and exaggerations being use by the left.

BTW, this attempt by the globalists to implement socialism not only in the U.S. is being fought everyday by the people. Evo Morales, a communist, and his people also used election fraud, and lies to get into power. The people revolted and now Evo Morales, and his corrupt socialists/communists are out of power.

Take heed socialists/democrats in the U.S. for we, the real patriots will not allow you to use more lies, and exaggerations to depose the dully elected POTUS.

Your moron left-wing leaders are going as far as claiming that the POTUS cannot fire an ambassador whom was put in power by Obama, and has been working since day 1 to stop POTUS Trump, and whom stopped evidence of the corruption, by the DNC/Obama/Hillary/Biden cabal together with the previous Ukrainian administration, from reaching U.S. soil.

Despite the lies by Schiff, Pelosi, Swalwell, et al, the POTUS has EVERY RIGHT to fire ANYONE he wants. Obama did it at an unprecedented level which is why so many people in government are anti-Trump...

Obama himself said" elections have consequences," and we won't let corrupt left-wingers continue to destroy these United States, or trying to criminalize political differences from the left.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
...
Its not just about a phone call. Or Joe Biden.
Its about extortion and shaking down a government.
The outright abuse of the power of the presidency.
...

BS, BS, and more BS...
You have the Ukrainian President himself, and other Ukrainian officials whom listened to the call say "there was no pressure and no "quid pro quo" on the part of POTUS Trump...

You have Vindman's own former boss whom was listening to the call state "there was nothing illegal done by POTUS Trump," but left-wingers want to claim that "CLAIMS" by partisan aholes whom don't mind lying to try to depose the dully elected POTUS is "evidence"?...

The extortion was done by Biden, we have REAL crimes being done, and having been done by democrats and instead of admitting the truth partisan hacks like yourself continue lying. As I have said before, these lies just show the lack of character those like you possess. You don't care that LIES are being used to try to depose the POTUS, and you actually think you will win.

Socialists/democrats stand for crime, corruption, and criminalizing political differences. But you won't win.

KAG!! Trump for POTUS 2020!!

At what point do you people give up?

Trump is not only a great President, he may well be the greatest we've ever had.(You cannot ignore what he has accomplished)
He has beaten you at your own game MANY times.

The man is very far from perfect. But he deserves a chance to be the President and get on with the nation's business.

Just like in 2016, you couldn't see that you were causing his election. You are doing it again. And I"m fine with that. I'm fine with another 4 years of Trump.
Not gonna lie. In 2016, I was captivated watching the crying on TV, news, and internet. It's both funny, fascinating, and scary all in one little weird ball. I'm interested to see what new elements 2020 creates. Maybe full on public displays of demon possession?

a reply to: Oraculi

I know this is probably repeating what some have said but needs to be stated AGAIN in the spirit of
"deny ignorance" (what this site claims as its goal).

there is no evidence out of the testimony that supports your claim in your OP.

NONE WHAT SO EVER

Its all OPINION , NOTHING MORE.

now how can I say this?

we have THE TRANSCRIPT of the call
we have the TESTIMONY OF THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE.
we have THE PROOF ALL AID WAS GIVEN


all this is in the open for all to see.

just because a bunch of people say the same thing does not make it so
in trials of gang members and mafia we have LOTS OF PEOPLE saying the same things in support of them.
does not make it true

that is the montra of propaganda tactics 101

say the same lie over and over to have people think its the truth.

along with the same thing that an impeachment is conviction of guilt
IT ISNT.
it is an indictment to be taken to court....
you still have CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT of presumed innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN COURT OF LAW...
anyone from president to lowest homeless person has that right.

overall there HAS BEEN NO TRIAL (be court or senate impeachment court) .
the only trial was stormy daniels and do I need to remind you what happened there?
psst he was FOUND INNOCENT and she had to pay him for damages.


but let the hate, name calling and propaganda continue from anti trump and democrats
because all that you have


btw big brother from 1984 and every despot in history would be proud of your using propaganda over FACTS to try to get trump.

scrounger

There is no doubt that Mr. Trump made it clear to the Ukrainians that he was making a deal. You guys act like the process between the US and the Ukraine began and ended with this telephone call. Maybe you are that ignorant and maybe not, but the phone call itself is an afterthought. All the terms had already been worked out. The Ukrainians needed the Javelins and Trump needed investigations. THAT backdoor process is the meat and potatoes of the impeachment inquiry.

Maybe you didn’t know that, and maybe you did.

So for goddsake drop all the nuanced BSing about levels of culpability and the sanctity of evidence. The Trump Administration PLAINLY used political pressure on the Ukraine to do the President’s bidding NOT for the security of the United States but for his own personal advantage.

Maddeningly, I don’t think that’s illegal ... but it’s sure as hell not RIGHT.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Oraculi

Unless you investigate these people I want you to investigate, I am not giving you any money. (Money that is not mine to give.) That is extortion.

Sounds like an apt description of Joe Biden's actions.

This is how it gets into the twilight zone with the liberal Democrats.

Do they know that normal people see what Biden did and said on tape about withholding money if his son is not cleared is extremely sketchy.

Trump brings up this sketchy deal and is the bad guy?