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Using tax dollars to force firing of prosecutor looking into family needs investigated everytime

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posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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I have no problem with having a country filled with diverse people. I think diversity of thought and beliefs is a great thing.

But we do need to agree on some things no matter our political/ideological etc. beliefs if we are to have a functioning country.

I would argue that the following is such a simple and fundamental concept, that we must all agree to it if we are to have even a remotely functioning political system

Anytime an executive branch member uses tax dollars to force prosecutor looking into a member of his families business to be fired, we should investigate.

I dont care if its a republican. democrat, independent or any other party.

I dont care if every other country in the world has their government say that executive branch member was right to have wanted that prosecutor fired.

I dont care if 100% of journalists say that executive branch member or his family member or the company that family member was working for never did anything wrong.

Our tax dollars were used, and it was used for something that could be highly corrupt; interfering with a legal investigation to benefit someone in the executives family.

If there is legitimate reasons to investigate Biden's quid pro quo. then trump did nothing wrong by trying to investigate that.

If you think it was Ok for Biden to do this because members of the imf or eu said it was ok, or the media said it was ok, and you think we dont need an investigation of this, you may need to look in the mirror, because you are hopelessly partisan.

This isnt to say Biden or his son are guilty of corruption (they may or may not be) but the situation warrants an investigation

If It was trump using tax dollars to force the firing of a prosecutor looking into a company his son was on the board of directors of, the dems and media would demand an investigation and I would agree with them.





posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




But we do need to agree on some things no matter our political/ideological etc. beliefs if we are to have a functioning country.


That's right. So, as long you present lies as facts, this thread will either become nonproductive insult fest, or an anti liberal echo chamber.
edit on 8-11-2019 by Sookiechacha because: clean up



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

If Joe Biden broke the law put the effer in jail!!! Having the rule of law has to be a bi-partisan issue.

"The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), 15 U.S.C. § 78dd-1, was passed in 1977. The program bribery statute, 18 U.S.C. § 666, was passed in 1984.[23] In the program bribery statute, "Congress, for the first time, directly federalized the crime of bribery of or by local officials."[24]"

Please, if you have evidence of Joe Biden breaking federal laws indict the mother effer!!!


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posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




But we do need to agree on some things no matter our political/ideological etc. beliefs if we are to have a functioning country.


That's right. So, as long you post lies as facts, this thread will either be a none productive insult fest, or an anti liberal echo chamber.


As usual, you merely claimed I lied, posting no specifics whatsoever.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

My bet is it will be a " an anti liberal echo chamber."



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Grambler

If Joe Biden broke the law put the effer in jail!!! Having the rule of law has to be a bi-partisan issue.

"The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), 15 U.S.C. § 78dd-1, was passed in 1977. The program bribery statute, 18 U.S.C. § 666, was passed in 1984.[23] In the program bribery statute, "Congress, for the first time, directly federalized the crime of bribery of or by local officials."[24]"

Please, if you have evidence of Joe Biden breaking federal laws indict the mother effer!!!


The dems and media are saying looking into Biden to get evidence is in itself a crime, and trump should be impeached for it.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Grambler

If Joe Biden broke the law put the effer in jail!!! Having the rule of law has to be a bi-partisan issue.

"The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), 15 U.S.C. § 78dd-1, was passed in 1977. The program bribery statute, 18 U.S.C. § 666, was passed in 1984.[23] In the program bribery statute, "Congress, for the first time, directly federalized the crime of bribery of or by local officials."[24]"

Please, if you have evidence of Joe Biden breaking federal laws indict the mother effer!!!


You won't have evidence without an investigation. Which currently the media and every liberal says isn't needed and the whole issue is "debunked". So...



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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This isn't our first rodeo on these issues. Yet you play naïve.

Joe and Hunter Biden broke no US or Ukrainian laws. If you have a problem with politicians and their families taking lucrative positions on corporate boards, lobby for legislation.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler

This isn't our first rodeo on these issues. Yet you play naïve.

Joe and Hunter Biden broke no US or Ukrainian laws. If you have a problem with politicians and their families taking lucrative positions on corporate boards, lobby for legislation.



Right. You know this how? From the investigation that never happened?



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler

This isn't our first rodeo on these issues. Yet you play naïve.

Joe and Hunter Biden broke no US or Ukrainian laws. If you have a problem with politicians and their families taking lucrative positions on corporate boards, lobby for legislation.



You have no idea if they broke laws because there wasnt an investigation into Joe bidens quid pro quo.

And I am not discussing politicians and there families taking money.

I am discussing politicians using US tax dollars to force the firing of a prosecutor looking into their families business.

Its incredibly ironic you think Trump alleged quid pro quo means he is guilty and should be removed because it must have been for personal reasons, but you dont even want an investigation into bidens quid pro quo that resulted in the prosecutor looking into his sons company to be fired.
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posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

It's almost like every time you reply to something, it's out of nothing other than emotion - no retort, no statement of any fact (or even perceived fact).

As Broomhilde would say (paraphrasing) - You're a happy little bird that left a happy little doo-doo on our hands.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Aren't almost all of the threads on ATS anti liberal echo chambers nowadays.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:14 AM
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You have bno idea if they broke laws because there wasnt an investigation into Jope bidens quid pro quo.


Quid pro quo is not the issue. Biden was part of an envoy that included the USA, the UN, EU and that IMF, who all had required that before they release the IMF $1 billion dollar aid package, Ukraine had to address their corruption problem, and get rid of the prosecutor that was shutting down investigations and refusing to prosecute fraudsters, including the owner of Burisma.

Further, when pressed, because of the Giuliani's clown show, Ukrainian officials made an announcement.


Yuriy Lutsenko, Ukraine's prosecutor general, said this week that he had no evidence of wrongdoing against former Vice President Joe Biden or his son, Hunter, over the latter's involvement with a private Ukrainian gas company, Burisma Group, Bloomberg reported.



Lutsenko said this week that neither Hunter Biden nor Burisma were now the focus of an investigation, according to Bloomberg.

"I do not want Ukraine to again be the subject of US presidential elections," Lutsenko said. "Hunter Biden did not violate any Ukrainian laws ... at least as of now, we do not see any wrongdoing."


www.businessinsider.com...



I am discussing politicians using US tax dollars to force the firing of a prosecutor looking into their families business.


That didn't happen.


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posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




But we do need to agree on some things no matter our political/ideological etc. beliefs if we are to have a functioning country.


That's right. So, as long you present lies as facts, this thread will either become nonproductive insult fest, or an anti liberal echo chamber.


Well let's make everybody uses the Adam Schiff system of facts 😎



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

With Biden and Son Inc., quid pro quo is always the covered-up issue 😎



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Sookiechacha

With Biden and Son Inc., quid pro quo is always the covered-up issue 😎



The witnesses Republicans call in the Impeachment Inquiry will expose Joe/Hunter Biden, according to House Intel Republican leader Devin Nunes.
edit on 11/8/2019 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes it did happen as you know; as Biden admitted he had shokin fired. Shokin was the prosecutor in charge if the investigation of Burisma, the company Hunter was on the board of directors.

As to the rest of your post

Yes, my entire OP was being critical of people like you that say its ok for executive branch members to use US tax dollars to force the firing pf prosecutors looking into their familys company, because the media and other people said it was ok.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yeah it's pretty clear your great at repeating leftist talking points... Unfortunately, those of us with thinking brains can see how none of that matches with reality.

Yeah Biden wanted to stop corruption of a prosecutor that just happened to be investigating his son's company that was paying him 50k plus a month to do nothing and off course you swallow the leftist explanation hook longer and sinker.

So I guess the question is are you just disengenuous or are you an idiot?


Jaden



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:33 AM
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Yes it did happen as you know


No it didn't. That's a fact.

Shokin wasn't investigating Hunter Biden. He was fired, by the Ukraine Parliament, for NOT investigating and prosecuting corrupt entities.



US tax dollars


Nope.

The billion dollar aid package in question was the International Monetary Fund's money. Perhaps a portion of it was financed by US tax dollars, but not the bulk of it. This demand for Ukraine to address corruption, and the fire the prosecutor that was abetting the corruption and refusing to investigate and prosecute, was an international demand. It wasn't Joe Biden's personal gripe, and the prosecutor was NOT investigating Hunter Biden at the time.



posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

What #ing reality do you live in? Because it sure as # ain't this one.

Yes it did happen, Biden is on tape admitting it happened.

Wow the craziness is getting ridiculous.

Jaden




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