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The "Putin Youth" - Youth Brigades and Agents Provocateur

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posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 07:33 PM
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The Kremlin has apparently set up a youth brigade to promote the interests of President Putin and to undermine the increasingly frequent anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow and other large cities throughout Russia.


Putin Youth Brigade's inauguration infiltrated
Hundreds of youths, many belonging to the president's cultural society "Walking Together", held a meeting in a house owned by the Kremlin Property Department to launch the group at the weekend. The organisation, which leaders hope will attract 300,000 members, was christened "Nashi" [Ours], a word which in Russian has chilling nationalist overtones.


Two members of a liberal youth group infiltrated the first meeting of the brigade and were subsequently beaten after being discovered.


Ilya Yashin, youth leader of the opposition party Yabloko and one of the two liberals who gatecrashed the conference, said: "Our apprehensions about the Kremlin's intentions to form assault units to fight the opposition have been confirmed. Under the Nashi slogan the Kremlin is forming brigades of storm-troopers so that they can use force against the opposition.''


Demonstrators also claim that agents provocateur are being employed to justify police dispersal of legal demonstrations.

Agents provocateur
The setup used by provocateurs is pretty straightforward, according to activists who said they have witnessed it. At some point during a rally, planted officers wearing civilian clothes cause a disturbance - anything from starting a fight to goading protesters into breaking demonstration laws. This gives uniformed police an official reason to break up the gathering.


Are we witnessing the revival of the youth brigade methodology of the Nazi Party? Or is this merely Russian kids playing at politics with fists and stones?


[edit on 2005/3/7 by wecomeinpeace]




posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 07:58 PM
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I have nothing to add, but I'm surprised noone else has anything to say. Do we have any Russians on these boards? Some interesting stories here. I'd like to know if they are blown out of proportion or if there is something to fear here.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 02:31 PM
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I want Robert Mugabes expert opinion on this...



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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So, it's expected I know what it is, and yes, the story is not BS. Read up on Putin, he was intel once upon a time, in his government, his career track is alot like Bush Sr.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by steggyD
I have nothing to add, but I'm surprised noone else has anything to say. Do we have any Russians on these boards? Some interesting stories here. I'd like to know if they are blown out of proportion or if there is something to fear here.


Need we say more?

I mean this kind of news doesn't need comments IMHO.


ExD

posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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Oh, just another piece of crap. Sorry, but those "articles" are too stupid to comment.


and yes, the story is not BS

and yes, the story is BS.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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ExD, you're Russian are you not? Are you still living in Russia or are you living abroad? Can you shed some light on these articles in a manner more conducive to discussion? If the stories are "BS" then we'd be interested to hear your view as to why. Are the stories fabricated? Blown out of proportion? What?



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Where did you go. Please don't say stuff like that if you cannot support it. I'm calling you out now, and want to see links or some other sources of proof that contradict the ones I will post.

We could take this to the Debate forum, but that is your call, I havn't had a good debate since we tested that forum.

Well, I'm off, to prove what I posted is true. See you guys when I get done pulling everything out of my favorites folder, got some open source ELINT to sort through.




posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Yipes. It's spreading.

Good story, wecomeinpeace. I need to think about this. But thanks.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 06:07 PM
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Here is the first link I have, more will follow.

Russia Still Fields Cold War Army of Spies

Couple more, just let me know if further info is wanted or reqired.

www.highbeam.com...:119299690&refid=ink_tptd_np&skeyword=&teaser=

archives.cnn.com...



[edit on 8-3-2005 by ADVISOR]



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 06:50 PM
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Slightly related, found an article reporting an anti-Semetic rally in Moscow from Nov 2004.


Interesting the opposing statements from the differnet sources in Advisor's first link. On one hand you have Western media and a single former KGB agent in London saying that the number of spies has swelled. On the other you have former KGB agents in Russia "scoffing" at the allegations.

This article from Sept 22, 2001 shows the Russian military and intel communities utilization of the 9-11 attacks to push for greater budget allocation.

Russian intelligence services can also more convincingly make their own cases for greater resources in light of the failure of their US counterparts to predict or prevent the attacks. As Aleksandr Zdanovich, the head of the Assistance Programs Directorate of the Federal Security Service, noted on September 13: "There is an old axiom [that] truly professional secret services prevent crimes, and all the others investigate them after the fact." The implicit argument is that intelligence is not something worth skimping on.


ExD

posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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ExD, you're Russian are you not? Are you still living in Russia or are you living abroad? Can you shed some light on these articles in a manner more conducive to discussion? If the stories are "BS" then we'd be interested to hear your view as to why. Are the stories fabricated? Blown out of proportion? What?

Yes, I'm Russian and I live in Russia. So I'm sorry for broken English, it's not my main language, and don't have time to learn it well(I study in university and it take almost all my time). Sorry for offensive comment above, but I've read enougth of this articles, when someone writes about events that he doesn't even know and tries interpret it how he likes.




anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow and other large cities throughout Russia.

This demonstrations are not "anti-Putin", currently there are social reforms take place, I don't think that ats members interested in it, so I say only few words about them: there are many privileges granted for different kinds of population such free public transport, low rent and much more, almost all of them are remains from Soviet period, Russia is no longer socialist country and such privileges doesn't feet to current reality, so they are replaced with money(for example pensioners gets more money in pension, so if he/she didn't use public transport, he can spend more money on other things). Not all people likes such reform, so they protest to express their opinion. Anyway such reforms are needed and it's right time to carry out them.

Provocateurs - what I can say, it's just bs, it's quite easy to get permission to hold rally(of course if you are not rasist, extremist. nationalist or terrorist organisation
), if someone wants to stop your meeting - it would be not so easy to get permission, anyway provocateurs thing is just nonsense.

Spies - well, I don't see anything special there(I don't read articles you posted but I read that thing not long ago in american press), worldpowers always wants to know what others doing, and I find quite interesting that in US elections media shouts about Chinese spy activity, and in Ukraine elections US media shouts about Russian spy activity, personally I think that this things overstated and it's one of the ways to form public opinion that your government need.

Most of the things written in your press about Russia are far from reality, I don't like word "propaganda", but sometimes it feets perfectly for such things, let me tell you one thing, not so long ago Russia faced Beslan, it was a horrible bloodbath, I saw television when Spetsnaz start assault after explosion, by pure accident I switched to BBC and what I've seen... they talks that russians start assault, how dare are they, oh those poor "rebels", they are not guilty and it's spetsnaz who fire on the running childrens. And they are talking this crap when special forces running to rescue childrens without body armour because they just arrived to the place and are not fully equiped in the beginning(no one expect explosions).

I don't really know how to justify such comments.. cold war mentality?.. or they just hate Russia and ready for anything to excuse their feelings. Of course I simplify their reaction, but I've seen similar comments in many articles published by "western media". It's your choice to take some things as truth, but some scepticism are always needed to analyse information, just notice other facts and international climate to get full picture of reality, make your own conclusions from FACTS not articles, where conclusion made by it's author.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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None of us know what it is like, to live in Russia, but your wrong on one thing, I am interested in knowing.

Originally posted by ExD
I don't think that ats members interested in it,


That is why we in a way, take the news, and articles for face value. I do like the word, propaganda, I know my country uses it TOO much, and that we have and use dispicable spies. Those are some of the reasons I am not very happy with my own government, how ever, I will stand stand tall for my country, just as you for yours. If us Americans could get non biased information, things might be different, but that is what we get. Trying to sort through all the pig slop, and find the good isn't easy, and often it slips through.

That is why ATS is awsome, people from around the world can compare and corrospond with each other, and figure out what is good, easier.

Not everyone will agree, that's expected, but it don't mean we should disregard everything in our collaborative investigations. I respect the Soviet people, as all people of this earth. I just enjoy a good arguement, civilized ones. I am head strong as the next person, but I do try to keep an open mind, I will listen to you, and think on your statement. Then respond, in a fashion, reflected by what I feel I know.

If there is BS in the agent provocateur article, I would like to see proof, because I know the US has used them just as other nations have. It's like how at one point in ancient history, all religions were very barbaric and practiced human sacrifice, none want to hear this, but it did happen. The Romans did it, so did the South American ones, they are by far the most notorious though.
Point being, I believe in the provocateur, if anyone can prove me wrong, I would not be offended. Until that happens though, I will argue it as fact, because none are opposing, where are the other facts. If this was an investigation, and all the facts were not here, I would hope some one could be decent enough to present them.

I like being back, on ATS more than I have been, so much so little time...


[edit on 9-3-2005 by ADVISOR]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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wierd double post, pease delete.

[edit on 9-3-2005 by ADVISOR]



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