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Trumps Economic Policies Have Failed US Workers

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posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

No I think their point on Unions was a larger point that predates trump by decades..


The gop killed the unions because their donors are the business owners and they were the democrats primary donor..

And the rank and file wages have only dwindled since..




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: dfnj2015

Meanwhile the stocks are breaking records for something like the 150th time, I've lost count. Trump's policies are helping me tremendously and the company I work for gave an across the board raise and set up an auto raise program. I just can't, for the life of me, understand why people like you wouldn't do some research of your own and stop relying on what a source beneficial to you would tell you to think.


EPI.org is a non-partisan group just studying economic numbers. Are you suggesting we ignore any economy measurements that do not agree with our preferred ideology?


Nope. I'm telling you to do actual research so you get actual and accurate information. When it comes to charts and graphs, different sources give different numbers. Research and make your own.


I don't think anyone would produce a different version of the blue curve in the graph I referenced in the OP. I total agree with the idea correlation does not prove causation. So the blue curve may or may NOT be the result of union membership percentages.

However, I am puzzled by your response. Are you saying the facts represented by the blue curve are just wrong? And if these are wrong facts, please show me what are the right facts I should read


Don't be puzzled. I gave you the website for EPI so you can research and find the information you're looking for instead of taking truthout.org's word for it.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: JustJohnny




It really is crazy the way TPTB have taught y’all to beg, sit and stay anytime they use the buzz words they installed lol.


Coming from the guy whose head hits 5000 RPM when anyone mentions Trump.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: JustJohnny


take away the employees ability to collectively bargain

Exactly where has this happened? I have never heard of a law that says someone can't bargain with an employer.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You do care because you post on it daily. So do I. Yesterday I posted that over 50% of Americans have money in the markets. The markets are the only way to build real wealth because the second income is earned it is depreciating. That dollar is getting weaker and weaker unless some of the income is invested.

Maybe a better course of action than giving money to people would be to teach the other 49% of people how to wisely invest their income. It does not take much either. $25 a week for someone young could grow into over 6 digits over their lifetime. A little more a week, almost a million.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

I didn't have a raise at work for 3 years. The last 2 years I have gotten a raise. Your post is inaccurate.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

As always, excellent points, and post.

You would have made a great grade school teacher. You truly do have the patience of a saint.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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I was going to read this thread but noted it was dfn posting again and nah, just more of the same complaining for the sake of complaining



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: TheRedneck

No I think their point on Unions was a larger point that predates trump by decades..


The gop killed the unions because their donors are the business owners and they were the democrats primary donor..

And the rank and file wages have only dwindled since..


I disagree. What killed unions was the fact that they protected lazy unproductive workers, to the point they couldn't be fired, under almost any circumstances.

This, coupled with the demands of wage/benefit packages that made it far more profitable to move new operations out of the country.

Yes, the union members got theirs while the could, but it wasn't sustainable fir the long term.

Both sides were greedy.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I would like to point out the same thing here in San Antonio, TX. Every single convienance store, restaurants and big box stores all have those same "Help Wanted" and "Hiring".

Like you said, not stellar positions, but an Hourly wage is still making MONEY.

We do live in a Credentialed based society and thus higher paying jobs require more experience.

People honestly just expect handouts, I know I did after HS till I got my arse into high gear and started earning and working for my own things.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:34 AM
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I stopped reading after the racist attack. Really? Peeps complain about the content on here...yet drop race bombs. Mmmmhmmm. Thanks for lowering the tone further.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

The GOP didn't kill anything to do with Unions. The people killed the Unions because the Unions were killing jobs.

A rough, quick history lesson:

Early Unions were necessary evils. Before Unions, companies would do exactly as many claim they do today, and worse. One could have their pay cut just because... one could even be paid in "company script" which was 'money' that could only be used at company-owned stores. If you needed anything that store didn't sell, tough. The 'money' was no good anywhere else. That's one of the reasons you will see the words, if you look at a US bill today, "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." It is actually illegal to not accept US currency for an owed debt, and can result in that debt being wiped off the books.

Unions were created through blood and sweat. Many workers who lead Union movements were literally killed by company thugs to shut them up. The workers held the power to not work, and used it... many went broke doing so, which is why Unions began collecting dues, but when the working conditions are so bad and there is nowhere else to work (most people could not afford to move), you do what must be done. Eventually, the companies gave in and began signing contracts with their workers, and even legal protections were put in place to enforce those contracts and deny unfair negotiation tactics.

Once all that happened, though, politics got involved. Leaders of the Unions realized they held all the cards now and the tide shifted to being able to make whatever demands of the company they wanted. The more the leaders got for the workers, the better the chance they would keep their leadership. Unions started to merge; instead of Joe's Wagon Wheels having a Union, every wagon wheel company across several states dealt with one massive Union. That further increased Union power, because a smaller company with, say, 10 employees could call out 1000 people to protest if they didn't get what they wanted.

Eventually, business owners quit hiring as many people, because every person they hired was a potential problem they couldn't get rid of. That forced wages up, yes, but it also cost jobs. As a result, people were less likely to work for a single company for their entire life. People worked where they could find work, which often involved moving away from home. Eventually, the demands got too much and businesses began to close. The smaller businesses were affected first, of course, and that led to conglomerations being the only major employers... usually because they were the ones that would find loopholes in the laws to 'cheat' the system.

In Alabama, we are a "right-to-work" state... one can be fired for any reason whatsoever (save a few things like race, sex, etc. that are Federally mandated) and one can quit work at any time with no penalty (some businesses at one time would simply not pay owed wages if one quit). The result is that all the major car manufacturers are moving down here. We have, just off the top of my head, a Daimler-Chrysler, Volkswagon, Toyota, and Mercedes-Benz plant within driving distance of me... and tons upon tons of plants making parts. They pay damn good wages and offer great benefits... without the "benefit" (read: cost) of a Union. The employees and the owners are on equal ground. There are laws about how an employee must be treated, but no laws that put the employee above the company. And no one gets to be in control of a percentage of people's money.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Mach2

I've actually worked as a math tutor while I went through college... loved it! I got approved as an online Chegg Tutor before all the heart issues... I might try that again in the near future.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Lumenari

No they compare union membership with the percentage of a companies profits that got to upper management vs the rank and file employees...


Surprise surprise , as the gop has destroyed the unions, the CEO types have kept a bigger and bigger hunk of the pie for themselves...



Who could ever guess that once you take away the employees ability to collectively bargain, tptb decide to keep more and more of the profit margins for themselves..


It is just unbelievable....


Not



And "wealth inequality " is a sales pitch for socialism that targets the mentally challenged and the naive.

Here's your sign.




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015

They had to pair union membership with income inequality to show the economy is bad.... LOL.

Union membership may be down because more and more people are realizing that paying union dues to get Democrats elected is a lose-lose situation for them.

Meanwhile, we have more Americans employed now then in any other time in history, unemployment numbers are at record lows for women, minorities and the handicapped.

Wages are steadily rising at record highs as well, with the biggest gains being the lowest wage earners.

We have more jobs in America than we have workers.

Between Trump's tax cuts and cutting regulations we are doing just fine.

So your OP is BS.





a reply to: dfnj2015
Seek help for your TDS, it is blinding you to reality.
While your fringe, partisan, propaganda websites may help you in justifying your feelz, you may want to consider expanding your input, even if it threatens your 'bubble'.

You may also want to review how to properly post content from other websites. It is nice to know when what I am reading is from an outside source. The "insert content from a news source" button is there for a reason.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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I did an experiment a few years ago. I wanted to see how much I could earn online part-time with no skills needed. It started out slow figuring out how to do it but my earnings gradually increased over the course of a few months.

Within 6 months I was raking in 1K a month, part time no skills needed. I wasn't making videos, wasn't selling anything. Most of it was companies getting my thoughts on products, marketing strategies.

The coolest one I did was an online jury. It was a mock of a real court room regarding a real case with real proceedings and other jurors. They paid me $300 for an hour and a half.

I eventually quit doing it. I got a few promotions at work and it was not worth my time anymore but my experiment was a success. It made me realize that all these people complaining about income has less to do about inability and more about their lack of motivation and outright laziness. Granted, I was never going to make 50K a year doing what I was doing online but I could have survived on it and another entry level job on the side easily.
edit on 5-11-2019 by Stupidsecrets because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You have set yourself a Sisyphean role here DFN. I admire that



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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I just want to talk about what public policy decision by Trump: The tax cuts he got passed.

You tell me why Trump's corporate tax cuts have been a success?


This is really simple actually. The reason it was a success is that middle America's job market had and was still being gutted and no politician knew how to resolve the situation up until Trump came along.

That's why we like to make fun of Obama's famous quote of what magic wand does Trump have to bring back manufacturing jobs. Well, the magic wand was making America more business-friendly by lowering the corporate tax rate. It wasn't just the tax cut, it had to be coupled with massive reductions in job-killing regulations and updated trade deals which we haven't even gotten to feel yet because the Democrats are holding up the USMCA to prevent Trump from getting another win on the economy.

When a company can operate in a different country with lower employee wages, less regulations, lacked safety requirements for workers and pay significantly lower tax rates. That alone will be enough incentive for the company to operate overseas instead of in the US. Now couple that a bad trade deal where we pay crazy tariffs to import our product into their country, but they can import into ours for free basically, it makes a world of difference.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

There are too many facts, numbers and information in your post. I think it is safe to say that three quarters of all ATS readers won't even read it.

Some will even be proud of that fact and they will tell you they didn't read it, wearing it as a badge of honor.

This type of a post belongs on Quora, where you can find more intellectuals. ATS is entertainment.

Still, good work.




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny



as the gop has destroyed the unions

By giving employees a choice the GOP has "destroyed" unions? SMFH

How typical of a progressive globalist. We know whats best and GD it you are going to live the way we tell you to live.
The ignorant masses are too stupid to be allowed a choice
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No, I am afraid the unions are destroying themselves with corruption, lies and greed.



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