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BOOM: Burisma Plead With US State Dept For Help, Invoked Hunter Biden

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posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
When a Democrat gets carted off to jail only then I will I see the significance. Until then it's just mudslinging propaganda.

Ah, ok, so you're simply incapable of rational, independent thought.

Got it...




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: carewemust

I felt that way until november 2018.

What happened in 2018 was a lackluster normal mid-term... they even lost 2 senate seats... and 39 Republicans were not running for re-election (everyone knows the incumbent is highly favored to win).

I wouldn't worry in the slightest about 2018...



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Challupa and other Ukrainian officials worked with the DNC/Steel Dossier

And the truth that it is not really the 'Steele' dossier, since he didn't even write it, it was written by Glenn Simpson/Fusion GPS. They simply used Steele's name for credibility when taking it to the FISA court. Here Devin Nunes talks about the 'p roto-dossiers'...

I'm really glad I invested in popcorn stocks at the first of the year...



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite



The EU and US are not sentient beings


The EU and the US are a collective of sentient beings you know. It is not just a vague notion of unity. They represent people who were actively discussing this problem and how to get the Ukraine to cooperate and get the russian sympathizer out.
That sounds like the weakest and most desperate attempt to invalidate the information provided.
Don't do that.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh good one. Ask me for a Ukranian investigation report. Uh huh... Yeah I will get right on that.
Hold my coffee, I'll brb.

In the meanwhile I have seen that very thing reported over and over so I will try and find a source where the former prosecutor said that. Warning... it wont be a copy of a ukrainian investigative report. It will be a news source reporting what he said.
edit on 1152019 by Sillyolme because: I said new prosecutor but its the former prosecutor



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

www.latimes.com...

www.nbcnews.com...

thehill.com...

www.bloomberg.com...

This should be a good start. Unless you just dismiss it completely out of hand.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: CrawlingChaos

There was an actual meeting if I recall. Not just a request.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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Burisma lobbied the US to stop a criminal investigation into them invoking hunter biden by name.

Then, about a month later joe biden threatened to withhold $1b in aid to achieve exactly that.


How did Joe Biden threatening to withhold US economic Aid from Ukraine until Shokin was fired = Making the US Undersecretary of State stop accusing Burisma of Corruption?

The USA was not conducting a Criminal Investigation into Burisma. DOJ would have no reason. That would be Ukraine's prosecutor Shokin that was responsible for that and he refused to investigate for almost 2 years, thus US U/S of State Novelli calling Burisma corrupt and demanding Shokin investigate.

Burisma Lobbied (Through DC Lobbyist)( the US Undersecretary of State under Obama to stop calling Burisma Corrupt in public.

Also at the time the UK had frozen funds of the Oligarch who owned Burisma and US State was pressuring Ukraine and Shokin to provide investigation cooperation into Burisma and Shokin was refusing.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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I wonder how often a U.S. Vice President calls another country and blackmails them like Joe Biden did with Ukraine?

The "do this or you won't get that" blackmail.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

to hear the leftovers spin this, it must be a daily occurrence. Nothing to see here, move along.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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Every single time the Left begins an investigation of the Right, it ends up pointing directly back at them (the Left)

Every time.

Every.

Single.

Mother####### time.

3 years, Every single one has done nothing but find dirt on them.

Like, doesn't it get tiring? Do they ever get bored of shooting themselves in the foot? You seriously couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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Great thread.

Here is my video on this




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: dothedew
Every single time the Left begins an investigation of the Right, it ends up pointing directly back at them (the Left)



You mean every time Trump abuses power or engages in unethical, immoral or illegal activity..

His right-wing defenders contrive a scenario that barely relevant or similar, smother it in a tonnage of BS and Propaganda and then shout WHATABOUT...

Claiming someone else has behaved immorally, unethically or illegally does not excuse an immoral, unethical or illegal behavior.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

Yes Im aware the media and dnc narrative is Biden and Obama wanted the prosecution to look into Joe Bidens son harder, so they withheld a billion us tax dollars.

So I assume its just a coincidence then that after that prosecutor was fired, and the billion dollars sent, the investigation was kicked off to the NABU, an agency within the Ukraine that had ties to the Obama admin (and worked with DNC operatives to leak details about Manafort to interfere in the 2016 election), and that agency...... buried the investigation!!!

And have Obama or Biden came out and expressed outraged that they were duped, and sent this billion dollars assuming Zlochveksy (which you admit they claimed were corrupt) and his company Burisma would be brought to justice, but actually they never were?

Nope.

Almost like Obama and Biden DIDN'T want Bidens sons company to be investigated.

Trup is right to investigate this QUID PRO QUO and corruption from the previous admin.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: dothedew
Every single time the Left begins an investigation of the Right, it ends up pointing directly back at them (the Left)



You mean every time Trump abuses power or engages in unethical, immoral or illegal activity..

His right-wing defenders contrive a scenario that barely relevant or similar, smother it in a tonnage of BS and Propaganda and then shout WHATABOUT...

Claiming someone else has behaved immorally, unethically or illegally does not excuse an immoral, unethical or illegal behavior.



No but investigating an act of corruption doesnt maker that investigation corrupt.

Thats what you and all the dems would have us believe.

A vice president using one billion us tax dollars to ensure the prosecutor looking in to his sons company was fired should be investigated. Period. I dont care what party they are from.

The fact you and the dems and media want any investigation into that QUID PRO QUO to not only not happen, but be criminal if it does occur shows who really is corrupt.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

The stage was surrounded by people on three sides. He was not talking to a wall.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Thanks to John Solomon...we now have the evidence.
Time for an investigation into Biden.


Oh he's already being investigated as Trump ordered. This evidence alone is enough to initiate an investigation, which means Trump's call with the Ukrainian President is exactly as Trump described. Perfect. He was fulfilling his constitutional duty as POTUS. Those that believe otherwise would have to also believe that Biden is immune from investigation because he's running to lead the Democrat ticket, which would of course be nonsense.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 12:12 PM
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Great angle



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

A vice president using one billion us tax dollars to ensure the prosecutor looking in to his sons company was fired should be investigated.


The precise opposite.

It might seem astounding to those committed to defending the sickest of corruption in the name of their cult leader, but the USA, IMF, EU, and the Ukranian People themselves ALL were demanding the Ouster of Lead Prosecutor Shokin for NOT prosecuting or investigating Oligarchs, including Burisma.



2015

Shokin’s nominees are closely associated with the old system. At the Prosecutor General’s Office, Yury Hryshchenko managed Volodymyr Shapakin, the so-called “diamond prosecutor” who was arrested earlier this year in a sting operation for bribery with $400,000 dollars of cash in his office and $100,000 of diamonds in his home. First Deputy Prosecutor General Yury Sevruk has stymied reforms in the Prosecutor General’s Office. Reformers believe that making anti-reform individuals like Hryshchenko and Sevruk directly responsible for selecting the most important anti-corruption figure makes the process a mockery.

But it gets even worse. After Jan Tombinski, the European Union’s Ambassador to Ukraine, criticized Shokin’s appointments, Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry sent a letter to the National Council on Reform urging Shokin to replace his appointees to the selection panel with qualified candidates.

Shokin doubled down, dismissing outside criticism and asserting his right to put whomever he wants on the panel. Shokin followed this up by allegedly threatening to prosecute Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry “for criminal acts intended at undermining the authority of state institutions” in a letter that Ukrainiska Pravda obtained and published. It seems Shokin prefers to use his prosecutorial discretion to threaten the very people seeking to free Ukraine from its endemic graft.

His behavior raises an obvious question: Why doesn’t Poroshenko fire Shokin?

“Poroshenko came of age in a system where the Prosecutor General was used as a weapon against political opponents, and Poroshenko remains determined to maintain control over this critical lever of power,” said Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center in Kyiv, in an interview on November 3.

www.atlanticcouncil.org...

2015
Ukraine: New government, same corruption



Although estimates vary, Donald Bowser, an adviser to Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau, said that "easily over a dozen billion US dollars a year" continue to be stolen from the Ukrainian state through corruption.

He said much of the corruption stems from the prosecutor general's office. "It is the biggest organised crime game in town … just stone-cold gangsters," alleged Bowser.


The prosecutor general himself, Viktor Shokin - who was recently targeted in an assassination attempt - serves at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko. Shokin and the prosecutor general's office "give a legal facade to the corruption schemes", Bowser claimed.

Since he was appointed as prosecutor general by Poroshenko in February, Shokin has not brought any cases of corruption to court involving Yanukovich or his partners. Nor has he prosecuted the hundreds of high-level corruption cases that have been brought to his office by Ukraine's parliamentary committee on preventing and combating corruption.

www.aljazeera.com...

Ukraine: “Automaidan” activists picket Poroshenko’s residence


On Sunday, November 1, the activists of “Automaidan” came under the walls of the house of the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko demanding the resignation of Attorney General Victor Shokina [suspected of corruption; see report below], reports UNN.

off-guardian.org...



The facts of this story begin in April 2014, when Hunter Biden joined the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company named Burisma Holdings, shortly after his business partner in an investment and consulting firm, Devon Archer, came aboard. Although Biden had no apparent expertise in the field, he had helped Burisma previously as a consultant with expertise in dealing with multinational regulations, and he was employed at a law firm retained by Burisma’s owner, former Ukrainian government official Mykola Zlochevsky.

When Biden joined Burisma’s board, both the company and Zlochevsky were already the subject of intense controversy. Zlochevsky had served as a top official for Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who was forced out of office in early 2014, in part due to concerns over rampant corruption. Zlochevsky was accused of corruption as well, including for steering large government contracts to companies he owned.

One party investigating these allegations was the United Kingdom, because Zlochevsky had $23 million in a British bank account that UK officials believed has been laundered. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office froze that account, and shortly after Yanukovych left office in February 2014, sent a request to Ukrainian officials for documents it believed would help in prove its case. Following this request, the new Ukrainian government began its own investigation into Zlochevsky, looking into whether he embezzled public money.

In the midst of these troubles, Hunter Biden accepted a Burisma board seat, and was paid for his trouble, sometimes as much as $50,000 per month. It is unclear what he did for the company. Burisma said at the time that Biden — a lawyer — would be “in charge of” a legal unit. Biden told the New York Times in May 2019 that this was incorrect: “At no time was I in charge of the company’s legal affairs.”

Though none of this looks great for the Bidens, it is, unfortunately, routine business in Washington to hire the family members of powerful officials in hopes of gaining influence over public policy. For example, President Jimmy Carter’s brother, Billy; President George W. Bush’s brother, Neil; and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham were all involved in business interests that once drew concern.

Meanwhile, the UK and Ukraine continued to investigate Zlochevsky and other Yanukovych officials, often with the support of the US. But eventually, British investigators began to grow frustrated with what they characterized as a lack of cooperation from their Ukrainian counterparts, saying needed documents weren’t being provided.

The US became increasingly involved in the issue, and by December 2014, had sent a letter warning the new government would be forced to face unpleasant consequences if it didn’t do more to aid the UK. That threat went unheeded, and by 2015, British officials were forced to release the frozen funds, which Zlochevsky immediately moved to Cyprus, according to Bloomberg.

Joe Biden played a role in pushing out Ukraine’s prosecutor general
The part of the story that involves Joe Biden directly centers on the ouster of Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin.




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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In February 2015, Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, and promised critics of his country’s anti-corruption efforts at home, in the US, and at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that a clean-up was on the way. And he claimed Burisma was in his sights. (recently)

But Shokin’s deputy, Vitaly Kasko, told Bloomberg that the promise was empty rhetoric. According to Kasko, their office did nothing to pursue its investigation into Zlochevsky throughout 2015, and the office was ineffective at reining in corruption generally, leading him to resign in frustration.

Shokin has disputed Kasko’s narrative, but the manner in which he was running his office also concerned the US ambassador to Ukraine, who said publicly in September 2015 that the office was “subverting” the UK’s investigation.

Concern at the embassy mounted, and by 2016, officials there began suggesting the Obama administration push for the prosecutor general’s ouster. In particular, the embassy suggested that $1 billion in loan guarantees the country hoped to receive from the US in order to stay solvent should be tied to a tougher anti-corruption strategy that involved removing officials seen as blocking progress, namely Shokin.

It wasn’t just the US that wanted Shokin gone, either — many other Western European officials, including the IMF’s then-managing director Christine Lagarde, also insisted Ukraine was doing far too little about corruption.

So in March 2016, Biden says he told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin.




But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”

The people of Ukraine wanted Shokin gone as well, and demonstrated for his removal around the time of Biden’s threat. Shortly after that demonstration, Shokin was dismissed.


www.vox.com... plaint



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