Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

a reply to: oldcarpy

It'd be nice if socialists would take the time and read the 14th amendment.

There is no discussion to be had.

a reply to: neo96

Or to study history and learn from it.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pexx421

The CONTEXT was the whole GD page.

www.usdebtclock.org...

And 47% don't live in poverty.

It's around 11%

My bad. It’s 47% of workers ages 17-38 make less than $13 an hour. 50% of Americans make less than $15 an hour. I don’t know about you, but I’d consider that “on the poverty line” as I stated. What kind of lifestyle do you think 64k a year provides for a family? I’ll give you a hint, there’s more debt than income involved. And the trend downwards is growing, not shrinking.

www.businessinsider.com... ossmf

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Fools

You have obviously never known anyone who resides in Norway.

So the Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialisms in your eyes? And, yes not only do I know someone from Norway but I have also spent a week in Oslo.

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

No, it’s more like when people here patronize, make insulting personal attacks, and RESPOND TO STATEMENTS THEY INVENT RATHER THAN STATEMENTS WE MAKE, then I respond in kind. You and others like you devolve to insults and personal attacks, and then act all affronted when I respond in kind. If you don’t like it, don’t go there!

So I’ll ask again, which of the facts that I’ve stated about us actions in Venezuela, Argentina, Honduras etc do you deny? It’s very simple. You stated these nations situation are the results of “SOCIALISM!!” I pointed out other factors. Rather than discussing them you resort to personal attacks. To me, that demonstrates an unwillingness to consider context because your position can’t bear it.

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Fools

You have obviously never known anyone who resides in Norway.

So the Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialisms in your eyes? And, yes not only do I know someone from Norway but I have also spent a week in Oslo.

No, in YOUR EYES Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialism. Because when we discuss any of the policies practiced by Nordic nations quite successfully, you predict we will become the ussr. That’s YOUR equivalency, not ours.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Fools

You have obviously never known anyone who resides in Norway.

So the Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialisms in your eyes? And, yes not only do I know someone from Norway but I have also spent a week in Oslo.

No, in YOUR EYES Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialism. Because when we discuss any of the policies practiced by Nordic nations quite successfully, you predict we will become the ussr. That’s YOUR equivalency, not ours.

Great way to NOT answer a question. Excellent that you put words in my mouth. So charming.

it is the continuous struggle between the ideologies of capitalism and socialism that has value. If any one of them won outright, it would be bad. However, self serving socialist are worse than greedy capitalists in my book as they use devious, gas lighting tactics to get what they want.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

No, it’s more like when people here patronize, make insulting personal attacks, and RESPOND TO STATEMENTS THEY INVENT RATHER THAN STATEMENTS WE MAKE, then I respond in kind. You and others like you devolve to insults and personal attacks, and then act all affronted when I respond in kind. If you don’t like it, don’t go there!

So I’ll ask again, which of the facts that I’ve stated about us actions in Venezuela, Argentina, Honduras etc do you deny? It’s very simple. You stated these nations situation are the results of “SOCIALISM!!” I pointed out other factors. Rather than discussing them you resort to personal attacks. To me, that demonstrates an unwillingness to consider context because your position can’t bear it.

The biggest examples of how socialism/communism ends with a police state, repression of freedom, millions of citizens dead or murdered and general misery are Soviet Russia and China so lets discuss the biggies, eh?

Also, please don't shout.

a reply to: strongfp

Subsidized entirely via the courtesy of the west.

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

No, it’s more like when people here patronize, make insulting personal attacks, and RESPOND TO STATEMENTS THEY INVENT RATHER THAN STATEMENTS WE MAKE, then I respond in kind. You and others like you devolve to insults and personal attacks, and then act all affronted when I respond in kind. If you don’t like it, don’t go there!

So I’ll ask again, which of the facts that I’ve stated about us actions in Venezuela, Argentina, Honduras etc do you deny? It’s very simple. You stated these nations situation are the results of “SOCIALISM!!” I pointed out other factors. Rather than discussing them you resort to personal attacks. To me, that demonstrates an unwillingness to consider context because your position can’t bear it.

The biggest examples of how socialism/communism ends with a police state, repression of freedom, millions of citizens dead or murdered and general misery are Soviet Russia and China so lets discuss the biggies, eh?

Also, please don't shout.

Right. So you’re response is to refuse to discuss the points I made. Let’s ignore facts that don’t fit our narrative, shall we?

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Fools

You have obviously never known anyone who resides in Norway.

So the Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialisms in your eyes? And, yes not only do I know someone from Norway but I have also spent a week in Oslo.

No, in YOUR EYES Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialism. Because when we discuss any of the policies practiced by Nordic nations quite successfully, you predict we will become the ussr. That’s YOUR equivalency, not ours.

Great way to NOT answer a question. Excellent that you put words in my mouth. So charming.

Great way to act like you don’t understand the answer. Obviously ussr and Nordic nations have vastly different values, situations, and methods. We support our tax dollars here going to support the people rather than war and corporate profit. Similar to every other western industrialized nation we want things like single payer healthcare, minimal education expenses, and a limit to corporate freedoms from liability and regulations so that they can only exploit so much, and don’t destabilize our economic processes. All of which you already are aware of.

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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

No, it’s more like when people here patronize, make insulting personal attacks, and RESPOND TO STATEMENTS THEY INVENT RATHER THAN STATEMENTS WE MAKE, then I respond in kind. You and others like you devolve to insults and personal attacks, and then act all affronted when I respond in kind. If you don’t like it, don’t go there!

So I’ll ask again, which of the facts that I’ve stated about us actions in Venezuela, Argentina, Honduras etc do you deny? It’s very simple. You stated these nations situation are the results of “SOCIALISM!!” I pointed out other factors. Rather than discussing them you resort to personal attacks. To me, that demonstrates an unwillingness to consider context because your position can’t bear it.

The biggest examples of how socialism/communism ends with a police state, repression of freedom, millions of citizens dead or murdered and general misery are Soviet Russia and China so lets discuss the biggies, eh?

Also, please don't shout.

Right. So you’re response is to refuse to discuss the points I made. Let’s ignore facts that don’t fit our narrative, shall we?

That is pretty ironic as it is you that is rewriting history to fit your beliefs.
Soviet Russia and China and the lessons of history seem not to fit your narrative.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Fools

You have obviously never known anyone who resides in Norway.

So the Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialisms in your eyes? And, yes not only do I know someone from Norway but I have also spent a week in Oslo.

No, in YOUR EYES Soviet Union and Norway are equal in their socialism. Because when we discuss any of the policies practiced by Nordic nations quite successfully, you predict we will become the ussr. That’s YOUR equivalency, not ours.

Great way to NOT answer a question. Excellent that you put words in my mouth. So charming.

Great way to act like you don’t understand the answer. Obviously ussr and Nordic nations have vastly different values, situations, and methods. We support our tax dollars here going to support the people rather than war and corporate profit. Similar to every other western industrialized nation we want things like single payer healthcare, minimal education expenses, and a limit to corporate freedoms from liability and regulations so that they can only exploit so much, and don’t destabilize our economic processes. All of which you already are aware of.

May I ask what programs are paid 100% by your government? May I also ask if corporations are allowed to exist and make profits? Which sources of revenue does Norway's government own? Do they own your coal or steel plants? Do they own the oil rigs? Do they own breakfast shops? And if not, do they tell the breakfast shop how much they can sell and what prices they can charge? Are you allowed as a citizen of Norway to save and invest money from your paycheck?

I don't think anyone is saying that ALL government varieties of socialism are bad. They are saying that having the government that is socialist decide ALL things is bad. And actually scientifically impossible.

a reply to: pexx421

You said “ First is the myth that any of us want "equal". Apparently you have trouble understanding what "equal" means. ”
Well, let’s look at that shall we. If equality is not what communists want, then why is redistribution of wealth from the evil bourgeois to the common man such an integral part of the Communist Manifesto, and why is it such an integral part of the Progressive party platform ? Why do Progressives insist on equal everything on a regular basis.
And yes we do understand the meaning of equality. Taking from one to give to another is a false sense of equality. I should be equally able to keep my paycheck as much as another. How about the concept of fairness. Is it really fair that I should work my behind off so some illegal can come and get things for free ? Are you kidding ?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: pexx421

You said “ First is the myth that any of us want "equal". Apparently you have trouble understanding what "equal" means. ”
Well, let’s look at that shall we. If equality is not what communists want, then why is redistribution of wealth from the evil bourgeois to the common man such an integral part of the Communist Manifesto, and why is it such an integral part of the Progressive party platform ? Why do Progressives insist on equal everything on a regular basis.
And yes we do understand the meaning of equality. Taking from one to give to another is a false sense of equality. I should be equally able to keep my paycheck as much as another. How about the concept of fairness. Is it really fair that I should work my behind off so some illegal can come and get things for free ? Are you kidding ?

One of my best pals grew up in Moldolvia (sp?) SSR. Probably the biggest #hole in all of the SSR's, however he said that the reality is that the only people that had anything were the criminal minded (because of the black market) and the political class. His said, "the rest of us were but mere cockroaches".

originally posted by: oldcarpy
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

It seems that apart from trying to rewrite history to suit your views you have learned nothing from history.
Millons dead/starved/murdered in the name of socialism/communism but its all somehow the Wests fault?
Why dont you move to Venezuela?

ah. So you are you saying we didnt attempt to assassinate their rulers? or to foment coups? Are you saying we dont have them embargoed from foreign trade? Or that we havent stolen billions of their dollars? which part of these do you disagree with?

It seems that anyone who disagrees with you you call idiots etc.
Not much point in trying to engage with a poster who is so dogmatic and closed minded.
Typical socialist attempts to purge dissent.
Comrade.

No, it’s more like when people here patronize, make insulting personal attacks, and RESPOND TO STATEMENTS THEY INVENT RATHER THAN STATEMENTS WE MAKE, then I respond in kind. You and others like you devolve to insults and personal attacks, and then act all affronted when I respond in kind. If you don’t like it, don’t go there!

So I’ll ask again, which of the facts that I’ve stated about us actions in Venezuela, Argentina, Honduras etc do you deny? It’s very simple. You stated these nations situation are the results of “SOCIALISM!!” I pointed out other factors. Rather than discussing them you resort to personal attacks. To me, that demonstrates an unwillingness to consider context because your position can’t bear it.

The biggest examples of how socialism/communism ends with a police state, repression of freedom, millions of citizens dead or murdered and general misery are Soviet Russia and China so lets discuss the biggies, eh?

Also, please don't shout.

Right. So you’re response is to refuse to discuss the points I made. Let’s ignore facts that don’t fit our narrative, shall we?

That is pretty ironic as it is you that is rewriting history to fit your beliefs.
Soviet Russia and China and the lessons of history seem not to fit your narrative.

I believe you are the one who mentioned venezuela initially. And where did i "rewrite history"? Did I anywhere on here state that the governments of china or russia were good for their people? I accept that there are and were governments who made claims to be socialist that were bad for their people. And i also point out that governments that use policies that are often criticized as socialism, are often good for their people as well. Such as the nordic model....or any western industrialized nation other than the us.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: oldcarpy

Ask the folks in Norway.

Why? That isn't a socialist country.

originally posted by: JBIZZ
We've been under socialism in the U.S. since 1913,

Not really...

For every $100 deposited in the bank $90 more are created out of thin air.

You dropped a zero. For every $100, $900can be loaned out (created out of think air).

But it isn't socialism. It is warfare.