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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: dasman888
Leaders are by definition authoritarian, it's authoritarian leaders doing the murdering not the isms....
This points to the flawed logic at the core of what these folks want. They want do use the state to implement THEIR will. They don’t like it when the government isn’t in their control because they’re all core authoritarians.
originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: dfnj2015
designed in such a way corruption is simply not possible.
It has been tried in every way since man walked this earth and hasn't been successful.
Just read or watch anything about communes or "Utopian" types of communities. There is always, always someone in charge or a leader. There is always someone getting a little more. I think this is just human nature.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Edumakated
Agree with your last statement 100%.
Crony capitalism is an issue. Corporate welfare at US levels is dangerously close to overarching socialism.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths. The problem with this argument is leaders of every type of government, left or right, have killed millions of people.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths.
Mao's great leap forward STARVED MILLIONS alone.
originally posted by: 727Sky
originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: dfnj2015
designed in such a way corruption is simply not possible.
It has been tried in every way since man walked this earth and hasn't been successful.
Just read or watch anything about communes or "Utopian" types of communities. There is always, always someone in charge or a leader. There is always someone getting a little more. I think this is just human nature.
In many parts of Africa they have not left the idea of tribalism/socialism... Let me explain.. You are a smart entrepreneur and lets say you found a 100$ bill laying on the ground. There is a need for hammers and axes in your community so you go to town and buy several for resale. You return to your village and do a markup on the items you purchased of some 10 to 20 percent for resale and restock. The next thing that happens is your family both close and far hear you have hammers and axes so they come by and take what they need without paying....because they are family and it is share and share alike....
Some may not believe this example and it is a poor attempt, I will admit, no matter how true however, like I said many of the absolute poorest places still live in the tribal/socialist system and anyone who has a business is not of that tribe and certainly has no family taking from them.. It does not matter if it is tools or food you are gonna give away free stuff until you have nothing left to give. So everyone stays equally poor and miserable.
Small communes/tribes/hunter gathers/where everyone knows each other can work because those who do not contribute are warned and finally told to leave if they do not change their ways and contribute.
originally posted by: oldcarpy
Seems to be a lot of evidence on here to show the truth of the old saying that those who fail to learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them or whatever.
Stalin should rank as a pretty big lesson from history.
How is socialism working out for the people of Venezuela?
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths.
Mao's great leap forward STARVED MILLIONS alone.
originally posted by: neo96
How about if the proponents love socialism so effing much.
They move back in with mommy and daddy that way they don't have to grow up.
originally posted by: JohnProctor
Africa's Socialism Is Keeping It Poor
www.zerohedge.com...