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Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths. The problem with this argument is leaders of every type of government, left or right, have killed millions of people.



Is that so? Care to share the names of leaders, and the nation and millions of people they killed that were NOT Socialist/Communist?

Can you even name a couple?

Your very first sentence, was a nonsensical logical fallacy.

Not trying to be glib here, but this is a full blown "You are certainly welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

Maybe every wholesale slaughter wasn't done by the same kind of socialist authoritarian, but history is pretty clear on this issue... but you being"...sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths" doesn't magically erase history.


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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: dasman888

Leaders are by definition authoritarian, it's authoritarian leaders doing the murdering not the isms....



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: loam

China? Vietnam? All Scandinavian nations?

I mean they are more of an advanced form of capitalist states now, but they don't allow for massive wealth to be hoarded, if you own a business it technically is owned by some form of the state, or in the case of Denmark you csnt jack up rent or buy real estate and resell it for massive profit.

Germany has a law where board members are voted by the workers. Elements of socialism work all over the world. But, China is probably the greatest success story of all time, taking a billion people and turning nearly half into a middle class in less then 50 years.
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

More than that.
With expediency.
Obummer geared us up
for another Civil War that would
benefit China and The Global Crime Syndicate.
Divide us and conquer us by faith,skin color,
and intrinsic humanistic traits and values.
Divert our attention from the perverts,
the child molesters,the killers,the torturers,
the War Pigs, and The Greedy Elite.

Their Wickedness has taken advantage
of our hearts,values,and common decency
with the concepts of "Global Warming"/
Climate Change. Artificial Guilt.

The Earths Climate will always change.
Humanity, you and me, are but a blink
in the eye of constructed time.
Do not let them fool you. Ever.
It is and will always be about Control
and The Money for them.
"Free Stuff" if you are stupid enough to
believe it.
I can guarantee it, no one milks the cows a 4 a.m. for free. But Socialism?
They are The Lords born of Cowardice and Sloth.

You are a Free Spirit on ATS,
and we all love you.
Hold on.
Steadfast.

S&F

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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:09 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You don’t think these folks have actually thought through their suggested changes do you?

Most of them only want a weakened Federal government because they want to see the States become little satrapies that will implement their desires On the rest of the populace (that’s what they call “States Rights” btw.)



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:11 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: dasman888

Leaders are by definition authoritarian, it's authoritarian leaders doing the murdering not the isms....


This points to the flawed logic at the core of what these folks want. They want do use the state to implement THEIR will. They don’t like it when the government isn’t in their control because they’re all core authoritarians.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:13 AM
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Socialism was never meant to be an actual system of governance. It was a sales pitch to gain control of a populace. It had to be flowery and utopian to work. They even admit it.

People have to buy into it and willingly give up their rights and increase their dependence on authority. Nobody is going to buy into authoritarian power grabs if they don't sound like utopia.

People get caught up in the sales pitch. It's like scientology. People get all wrapped up in system forgetting it was addmittedly made up by its founder.

I just can't understand how people are refusing to learn from history like a spouse of an alcoholic. This time...
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: dasman888

Perhaps take a look at the differences between socialism and communism, and then actually research the nations that have implemented so-called communism (not socialism) and see that the common factor that is related to the deaths of millions is totalitarianism not socialism.

In other words, educate yourself and get back to us.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: loam
But, China is probably the greatest success story of all time, taking a billion people and turning nearly half into a middle class in less then 50 years.


Forget the 80 million murdered, the re-education through forced labor system, forced abortions by the millions, forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience, Tibet, Uigurs, Falun Gong, Christians, etc. etc. ???????? Do you have any idea how much wealth has been horded by the 1% in China. Google is your friend. I have no words to understand your ignorance on this situation. What clown world are you living in?



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:22 AM
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a reply to: Halfswede

You could have stopped after your first sentence.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:25 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Bull#.
2nd line



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Gryphon66

Bull#.
2nd line


I can’t help but admire your brevity.

Elegance, even.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: Halfswede

The sad truth.
Even for Christians.




posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: Halfswede

SO in other words, China is a violent totalitarian government that murders its people and allows the 1% to steal from the population?

Not communism I agree. Actually, minus the killing, sounds just like the US.
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: dasman888

Got to spread the facts
to even the more emotional members
of ATS.

Live and let live.
Even if you have to wrestle for it.
We are all in this boat together.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Thank you kindly.
Pass it forward.
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Gryphon66

Thank you kindly.
Pass it forward.


Not my style really.

2nd l ine



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 06:02 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Halfswede

SO in other words, China is a violent totalitarian government that murders its people and allows the 1% to steal from the population?

Not communism I agree. Actually, minus the killing, sounds just like the US.


Nobody is claiming the US is perfect or capitalism is perfect, and I know you are being a bit tongue in cheek, "sounds just like the US" is a gross deflection often used by socialists (Not throwing you in there).

What is going on and has gone on in China under the CCP is light years worse than anything the US has done to it's people. There may have been periods in the US where the govt has done some pretty terrible things and may still do in some capacity, but the daily freedoms that we take advantage of -- talking freely, going in public freely, accessing the internet freely, practicing religon freely, etc. are not even comparable.

What we are all doing here would likely land a Chinese citizen in a labor camp or worse. I get to keep most of my money, raise my children (don't kid yourself, one-child is still a thing in most of China), go where I choose, talk to whomever I choose, live where I choose, and most importantly talk freely about my government without constant fear. People need to actually talk to Chinese asylum seekers and learn what it is actually like before comparing the two countries even remotely.
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: Halfswede

Gross generalizations aside (like for example, “that’s what socialists say”) there is zero doubt that the world’s more developed economic systems are designed to do two things: 1) keep the populations apathetic and 2) redistribute wealth to the 1%.

Russia, China, the US, the EU etc. etc. etc.

The regime in the US has, to date, not used the mass extermination methods of control. That is factual.

Yes, the United States experiment has been exploring the ideas of limited personal freedom or the illusion thereof.

I would not choose to live in China or Russia that’s for sure. I compared a very specific element of the two countries, perhaps people should deal with the arguments made rather than the ones they want to respond to.
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posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 08:00 AM
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Seems to be a lot of evidence on here to show the truth of the old saying that those who fail to learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them or whatever.
Stalin should rank as a pretty big lesson from history.
How is socialism working out for the people of Venezuela?



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