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Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015
OMG... are you just going to segue into wealth inequality?


Why would you talk about socialism if not for wealth inequality.

Back in 2008 when the government gave Merrill Lynch $19 BILLION dollars of bailout money for absolutely no reason...my thought train just got derailed. Once I said $19 billion my brain went blank.



Your brain being blank seems to be normal.
Socialism makes a permanent 1% that owns EVERYTHING and everyone else is equally starving under a tyrannical government.


So let's just assume for moment the United States government is 100% socialist right now. What would you do to fix it? And what exactly is it you want to fix? What is it you value most?

Or, maybe, you think the way the government is right now is just peachy.




posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

My problem is of course that the current Democratic Party is actually center right and authoritarian.

A few years ago, I voted against Republicans who absolutely do not believe in individual rights, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth to the contrary, and the only viable option, I told myself, was to vote Democrat.

That was a lie I told myself though. The Libertarian Party comes closer than any of the others to my own beliefs. I’m a card-carrying member now, LOL.

The Republicans are statists and authoritarians of the first water, after Goldwater/Reagan.


(post by SailorJerry removed for a manners violation)

posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Hardly exhaustive, I can think of a few more but relevant nonetheless

Anyway
I am happy to equate socialism, generally an atheistic ideology, mostly physically enforced by death squads and gulags, mass murders or civil control

And before a few atheists soil their clean shirts
Generally I will counter the argument that religion causes wars, more deaths, blah blah

Nor socialism, politics, atheism or religion should ever individually shoulder any blame.
Mankind (humanity), individually or in a group can be malevolent, use any tool, any means, any force to control others

No it’s not just socialism but it’s never just religion



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




Says who?

That’s not socialism, that’s authoritarianism.


Well it wasn't a quote so guess who?

Put the whole group under tyranny and call it Tyrannyism I
don't give a crap it's all the same after the second floor you fall ya die. lol



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Gryphon66




Says who?

That’s not socialism, that’s authoritarianism.


Well it wasn't a quote so guess who?

Put the whole group under tyranny and call it Tyrannyism I
don't give a crap it's all the same after the second floor you fall ya die. lol



LOL ... Tyrannyism eh?

Authoritarian or totalitarian not good enough?

Really though, socialism is not what you’ve been told it is. It is an idealistic economic theory that has limited applicability in the real world.

All successful economies have a variation of the mixed economy type ... free markets balanced with government intervention.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

LOL YA!

Sorry but there's nothing better than Trump at this point!



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015
OMG... are you just going to segue into wealth inequality?


Why would you talk about socialism if not for wealth inequality.

Back in 2008 when the government gave Merrill Lynch $19 BILLION dollars of bailout money for absolutely no reason...my thought train just got derailed. Once I said $19 billion my brain went blank.



Your brain being blank seems to be normal.
Socialism makes a permanent 1% that owns EVERYTHING and everyone else is equally starving under a tyrannical government.


So let's just assume for moment the United States government is 100% socialist right now. What would you do to fix it? And what exactly is it you want to fix? What is it you value most?

Or, maybe, you think the way the government is right now is just peachy.


I'm not comfortable with our current government because it is full of Progressive parasites trying to fundamentally transform it into something you would like... until you had to live in it.

What I would like is a return to a more limited government with state's rights.

A purge of the Federal government... let's say a 75% layoff.

Then means test the ones that are left and see if they can actually do what they were hired for.

Term limits, no salary, no benefits, no retirement for members of Congress.

You know, conserve the Constitution as it is.

Conservatism.




posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015
OMG... are you just going to segue into wealth inequality?


Why would you talk about socialism if not for wealth inequality.

Back in 2008 when the government gave Merrill Lynch $19 BILLION dollars of bailout money for absolutely no reason...my thought train just got derailed. Once I said $19 billion my brain went blank.



Your brain being blank seems to be normal.
Socialism makes a permanent 1% that owns EVERYTHING and everyone else is equally starving under a tyrannical government.


So let's just assume for moment the United States government is 100% socialist right now. What would you do to fix it? And what exactly is it you want to fix? What is it you value most?

Or, maybe, you think the way the government is right now is just peachy.


I'm not comfortable with our current government because it is full of Progressive parasites trying to fundamentally transform it into something you would like... until you had to live in it.

What I would like is a return to a more limited government with state's rights.

A purge of the Federal government... let's say a 75% layoff.

Then means test the ones that are left and see if they can actually do what they were hired for.

Term limits, no salary, no benefits, no retirement for members of Congress.

You know, conserve the Constitution as it is.

Conservatism.





Sounds like fantasy land, or possibly even fantasy island...da planes, da planes...



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

I'm not sure I agree having something like Social Security is the cause for millions of deaths. I don't see how Social Security kills people. I think the opposite happens. Socialism like Social Security saves millions of lives.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015
OMG... are you just going to segue into wealth inequality?


Why would you talk about socialism if not for wealth inequality.

Back in 2008 when the government gave Merrill Lynch $19 BILLION dollars of bailout money for absolutely no reason...my thought train just got derailed. Once I said $19 billion my brain went blank.



Your brain being blank seems to be normal.
Socialism makes a permanent 1% that owns EVERYTHING and everyone else is equally starving under a tyrannical government.


So let's just assume for moment the United States government is 100% socialist right now. What would you do to fix it? And what exactly is it you want to fix? What is it you value most?

Or, maybe, you think the way the government is right now is just peachy.


I'm not comfortable with our current government because it is full of Progressive parasites trying to fundamentally transform it into something you would like... until you had to live in it.

What I would like is a return to a more limited government with state's rights.

A purge of the Federal government... let's say a 75% layoff.

Then means test the ones that are left and see if they can actually do what they were hired for.

Term limits, no salary, no benefits, no retirement for members of Congress.

You know, conserve the Constitution as it is.

Conservatism.



Would you get rid of the Dept of Homeland Security? NSA? NASA? EPA? Etc...

How many people in government would have? 10 or 20? By what method would you consider you had enough people working in government?



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths. The problem with this argument is leaders of every type of government, left or right, have killed millions of people.


This may be the case, but some brands of socialisms - e.g. communism, are based on the implementation of policies which lead to huge social upheaval. The Ukrainian Holodomor, which was caused by the Soviets and where upwards of 4 million died, is a good example of government policy driven by ideology, as was China's Cultural Revolution.

A shortened life, societal repression and fear and misery are features of countries who followed Marxist-Leninist ideology.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 01:38 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: dfnj2015

To you it's just "some good socialist leaders who have done some things", right?

Please post for me where America, a Democratic Republic, has killed more people than...

Chairman Mao... 40-70 million killed.
Stalin... 20 million killed.
Bonus round... 40 million others killed under all other USSR leaders.
Pol Pot... 4 million killed.
Kim II Sung...1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor.
Tito... 1.15 million killed
Menghistu... 1 million killed
Suharto.... 1 million killed
Brezhnev and Kambanda don't really count... barely a million each

But it's going to work better this time in America, because there is finally enough money to get your socialist Utopia up and going, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret....

The number of people killed if Democratic Socialism is finally brought to America is exactly the amount of people that voted it in.




How many native Americans or slaves died in the US?

In some of the cases that you mentioned many deaths were caused by famine and were exasperated by the West blockading them economically or inviting armed insurection. And even then many of those deaths were caused by poverty that already existed.

Yes there were truly murderous regimes, but the capitalist regimes in Africa and Asia that were backed by the West were just as bad.

Over a million people were killed in places like the Philippines and Indonesia in communist panics. Or maybe you didn't hear about the 10,000 people killed in Taiwan by the capitalist nationalists?

During the cold war brushstrokes killed millions and millions regardless of their politics.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 01:43 AM
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There are many facts of life that people disagree with yet the facts stand alone.. History revisionism seems to be the new thing of the left along with destroying everything they disagree with.

7 In 10 Millennials Don't Know This
youtu.be...



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

OAN is just way too fair and balance for me to waste my time watching it.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: 727Sky

OAN is just way too fair and balance for me to waste my time watching it.


Like I said facts are facts...... even if the devil is speaking.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I'm sick and tired of people making the lame argument communism or socialism is responsible for millions of deaths. The problem with this argument is leaders of every type of government, left or right, have killed millions of people.


This may be the case, but some brands of socialisms - e.g. communism, are based on the implementation of policies which lead to huge social upheaval. The Ukrainian Holodomor, which was caused by the Soviets and where upwards of 4 million died, is a good example of government policy driven by ideology, as was China's Cultural Revolution.

A shortened life, societal repression and fear and misery are features of countries who followed Marxist-Leninist ideology.


I disagree with your assessment. I don't accept the argument absolutely NOTHING can be done because if we do anything socialistic it will completely destroy everything. I think government has a role in having programs like Social Security as long as cartels and monopolies are allowed to exist. I don't understand how anyone buys into the idea laissez faire capitalism is a utopia.

It seems to me as a people, a community or nation, we need public policies to protect citizens for being gouge, ripped off, or polluted to death, excessively exploited by corporations solely driven by profit motives.

It's about money and power to the individual. It's about individuals having personal power to succeed. As long as corporations control the government the excesses of laissez faire capitalism will impoverish everyone.

Without socialism like social security seniors would be starving and dying in our streets. I can't justify why not having seniors starving and dying in the streets is important. I just know corporations and the people who run them are too ruthless to care about anything other than profit.

I think every human being has worth. Every human being is worth saving. I don't see what's wrong in having social security. As a government program it's not perfect. But it's better than nothing. People have value for no other reason than they are just people.

It's funny how when people are young and strong they don't want any socialism. But when they get old and feeble, no longer able to work, then maybe their attitudes change. Just remember there may come a time in your life when you become weak and the government safety net is the only thing keeping you alive.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:09 AM
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Wealth inequality in this country is beyond obscene.

Ahh , the old "green eyed monster " got a hold to ya , it seems.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:23 AM
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I read reports that Putin is worth $70 Billion. But there are others that state he is far more wealthy. Some speculate he is the richest person on the planet earth by far. Just his wealth is hidden.

Albeit Communism fell in the U. S. S. R. it is still a very real threat in the region. And Russia, with its leader seems to be acting more aggressively as an authoritarian government more and more.

All of that is beside the point though.

All form of human government is defuct and needs to be done away with.

Humans were not made to rule themsleves. There are issues far too complex for humans to figure out themselves, much less fix. Humans have little control over disease and death. They seem not to be able to end fighting each other. Hatred and prejudice are at all time highs. No one has come to a solution to end hunger earthwide, and there is plenty of food for everyone, or poverty, and no one needs to be poor. Humans can't control the weather, stop hurricanes, stop earthquakes, etc. etc.

And if your loved ones die, no human ruler is capable of rasiing them back to life again.

Why do humans keep looking to other humans for rulership?

God's rule is going to bring an end to all these problems. Every single one of them. And it will be after he rids the earth of all human rule.

Humans should stop trying to rule and govern and let God step in and fix things. The problem is they are never going to. But since God has allowed enough time to pass to show how inept human rulership is, he is going to do away with it and restore his divine rule over earth, where no human will be ruler.

For now, democratic societies seem to be the best to live in especially if you serve the living God. Communist countries like to clamp down on freedom of religion, expression, and assembly. They change facts to fit agendas, and persecute anyone that speaks a different narrative than the official one, whether it be true or not.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I disagree with your assessment. I don't accept the argument absolutely NOTHING can be done because if we do anything socialistic it will completely destroy everything.


I think that there is often a misunderstanding around the word "socialist".

Countries who embrace and adopt the Marxist-Leninist (or similar) ideology of socialism, run policies which have deeply negative social consequences unless you are one of the elites. These ideology-driven societies shorten the lives of rather alot of people, as is well documented. These regimes are well known and all have failed. China is an exception as it has morphed into a strange hybrid dictatorship.

Countries who adopt policies which are tailored to help general society and which are often referred to as "socialist", but which are not communist per se, do not tend to shorten lives. All developed (capitalist) nations have some form of welfare and free education, for example. The UK's National Health Service is often dismissed by Americans as “socialist, therefore bad”, but in fact American healthcare has worse outcomes and higher cost. Furthermore, having services paid for by taxation is not socialist and does not make that country socialist.
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