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Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

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posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 07:42 AM
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The BIG TEST is this...

Surely, the fact people don't want to live in countries which seek to implement Marxist-Socialist theory is a good measure of their success, or not. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power.

If people want to leave your country and you have to deploy secret police, repression and control to stop them leaving, then you are broken state. There are many examples in the past and present countries which follow socialist ideologies which feature this characteristic. Prove me wrong.

Conversely, there are not lines of people trying to escape the developed (capitalist) world. No long queues in the Mexican or Canadian border, with people trying to escape American tyranny. No boatloads of people fleeing Italy for a better life in China, or Chad. Even the large homeless and downtrodden communities in the US prefer the streets of Chicago to the streets of Caracas. Not many people smugglers in the UK trying to get people to live at better life in North Korea.




posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
The BIG TEST is this...

Surely, the fact people don't want to live in countries which seek to implement Marxist-Socialist theory is a good measure of their success, or not. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power.

If people want to leave your country and you have to deploy secret police, repression and control to stop them leaving, then you are broken state. There are many examples in the past and present countries which follow socialist ideologies which feature this characteristic. Prove me wrong.

Conversely, there are not lines of people trying to escape the developed (capitalist) world. No long queues in the Mexican or Canadian border, with people trying to escape American tyranny. No boatloads of people fleeing Italy for a better life in China, or Chad. Even the large homeless and downtrodden communities in the US prefer the streets of Chicago to the streets of Caracas. Not many people smugglers in the UK trying to get people to live at better life in North Korea.


Wait wait wait. So let me get your reasoning straight. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power. Those in power own the us airwaves, media empires, schools, psyops etc. And Bernie sanders is a socialist. So the media massively supports Bernie sanders. Wait a minute.......

Something off with your logic here. If socialism is SO good for those in power, then why is every power structure in the US fighting for the last 6 years to delegitimize, obfuscate, or twist everything he does and stands for??

If sanders is literally going to hand all the power over to govt and cement tptb power over us, why are they fighting tooth and nail to deny him any airtime, and keep him from being elected? No cognitive dissonance there? None at all?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
The BIG TEST is this...

Surely, the fact people don't want to live in countries which seek to implement Marxist-Socialist theory is a good measure of their success, or not. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power.

If people want to leave your country and you have to deploy secret police, repression and control to stop them leaving, then you are broken state. There are many examples in the past and present countries which follow socialist ideologies which feature this characteristic. Prove me wrong.

Conversely, there are not lines of people trying to escape the developed (capitalist) world. No long queues in the Mexican or Canadian border, with people trying to escape American tyranny. No boatloads of people fleeing Italy for a better life in China, or Chad. Even the large homeless and downtrodden communities in the US prefer the streets of Chicago to the streets of Caracas. Not many people smugglers in the UK trying to get people to live at better life in North Korea.


But let’s also be clear here. No one, not Bernie, not warren, not your leftist neighbor, or the granolas in Cali, are mass advocating for Marxist socialism or communism. Well, never mind. I’ve already pointed it out ad nauseous. And you just keep repeating your made up ideology, with no stats or evidence. People are fleeing Honduras in droves. Why? Nothing to do with our coup on behalf of dole and Chiquita, and installation of a dictator who is destroying his country to maximize profit for American corporations.

Where else are people going in droves? Europe and the Nordic nations. Are they fleeing socialist middle eastern nations? No. They’re fleeing western wars of aggression that have destroyed their nations. To the very nations that practice those policies that over there are called capitalism, but if enacted here would be Marxist socialism/communism and would lead instantly to breadlines, citizen purges, and mass exodus. Your reasoning has massive holes and blind spots with no continuity. Its as bad as a forgotten realms novel.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421
Wait wait wait. So let me get your reasoning straight. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power.


You need to take what I have said in context of my position in this thread.

Socialism, as in Marxist-Leninist-Maoist socialism/communism, is an ideology which has proven historically to serve no one but the people running the show, and who keep in power through repression and control. That American guy Bernie Sanders isn’t a communist, regardless of how the American right attempt to portray him. Even if he had got to become President, I doubt he would have then abolished private ownership of the means of production i.e. no more private companies.

Social programmes which are sometimes referred to as "socialist" especially by Americans, like free education, healthcare, roads, national parks, welfare et al, exist in all developed nations. These programmes benefit society. The NHS in the UK is a social programme which provides free healthcare at the point of delivery, and the UK is not a "socialist" country.
edit on 7/11/2019 by paraphi because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: paraphi
There are plenty of Americans on here that seem to think we are a Socialist country!



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: pexx421
Wait wait wait. So let me get your reasoning straight. Socialism is supported avidly by those in power.


You need to take what I have said in context of my position in this thread.

Socialism, as in Marxist-Leninist-Maoist socialism/communism, is an ideology which has proven historically to serve no one but the people running the show, and who keep in power through repression and control. That American guy Bernie Sanders isn’t a communist, regardless of how the American right attempt to portray him. Even if he had got to become President, I doubt he would have then abolished private ownership of the means of production i.e. no more private companies.

Social programmes which are sometimes referred to as "socialist" especially by Americans, like free education, healthcare, roads, national parks, welfare et al, exist in all developed nations. These programmes benefit society. The NHS in the UK is a social programme which provides free healthcare at the point of delivery, and the UK is not a "socialist" country.


Hey, thanks paraphi. Well put.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

Ah, comrade. Have they let you out of the potato collective?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Lumenari

I'm not sure I agree having something like Social Security is the cause for millions of deaths. I don't see how Social Security kills people. I think the opposite happens. Socialism like Social Security saves millions of lives.


Your first mistake is equating Socialism with social programs. NOT the same thing. Learn the difference between the two then come back and try again.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

Not if Corbyn gets in.
Though it will probably be off to a re-education centre for me, I expect.
Where potatoes will be but a distant dream.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

What’s wrong with Corbyn?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Well, apart from his past support for the IRA, Hamas, supporting Putin in the Salisbury nerve agent attack on British soil, wanting to keep our nuclear submarine deterrent but without actually having any nukes, never having had a real job in his life, being thick as mince as evidenced by his two E grade A levels and shagging Diane Abbott and generally being a complete Muppet, not much, I suppose.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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Sorry - i forgot his disgusting tolerance of anti semitism in his party.
And the rest.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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Is that how you feel too, paraphi?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

So how do you feel about comrade Corbyn and his sidekick McDonnell with his magic money tree?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

I like corbyn. Despite the anti Semite witch hunt. Which I don’t really understand, considering the Israeli ambassadors were expelled from the U.K. after the documentary exposed them plotting to take out British govt officials they felt weren’t sufficiently pro Israel enough. Israel as a nation has proven pretty cut throat in general, taking out the uss liberty in order to try to draw us into their war, killing the us soldiers on it, as well as their well documented theft of us nuclear secrets and them being busted spying on the White House. Not to mention the dancing mossad agents who apparently set up shop to film the collapse of the world trade centers on 9/11 indicating prior knowledge.

Not sure why Israel gets so much sympathy. Other than our use of them to leverage control in the Middle East. But I digressed quite a bit from corbyn. I like much of what I’ve seen from him, but then I’m not a Brit so I hope you guys get whichever politician the majority of you prefer. I think corbyn is your better hope for the future, just as I think sanders, gabbard, or yang would be good for ours, but I stand by the majority should get what they want, even if it’s not in their best interest.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

I don't think you understand what anti-Semitism is. There is a difference between being anti-Israeli and being anti-Semitic.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 04:34 PM
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So you hate on the US and Israel and despite knowing nothing about Corbyn or UK politics you still have an entrenched opinion for us Brits?
Thanks a bunch, pal.
Cheers, mate.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: pexx421

I don't think you understand what anti-Semitism is. There is a difference between being anti-Israeli and being anti-Semitic.


Apparently not in the us, where the republicans attempted to criminalize bds or criticism of Israel.



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421
So you hate on the US and Israel and despite knowing nothing about Corbyn or UK politics you still have an entrenched opinion for us Brits?
Thanks a bunch, pal.
Cheers, mate.


I don’t hate on the us. I live my land, and my neighbors. I love the people here, and the life I’m allowed to live. But yes, I’m absolutely critical of my govt. and why not? Shouldn’t everyone be? If my brother was doing bad sht I’d be like “say yo, that’s #ed up!” That don’t mean I don’t love him. I can point out when people I support are doing wrong. Like maduro is a horrible leader. But I still support Venezuela’s attempts at sovereignty and progress. Israel has plenty deficiencies to point out.

At any rate, I read plenty about British politics, though it’s been crickets in the media here since parliament dissolved. But, as I said, I support your right to have who you prefer represent you. So what did corbyn do that was so anti Semitic?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

And recall, I didn’t volunteer my opinion on your country, you asked.



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