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Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

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posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 06:54 AM
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Yeah, go on criticizing communism. No ones interested in communism. Feel free to criticize koala bears too. I’ll focus on your perspective on people though. Don’t know if any of you have been poor. It’s not something anyone aspires to. The idea that “some people are fine being lazy and having nothing and not working” is a myth and fallacy. Human psychology says the exact opposite. It’s nobodies preferred model. We all want to be productive, to create a life for ourselves and support our loved ones. We have just created a barrier in our society for that opportunity..... for apparently, about 34% of the working age population. All people want dignity, relevance, respect. But that’s largely not on offer for the majority of Americans. Instead they get to aspire to subsistence wages. Strange, at a time when the us is richer than its ever been before.




posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: pexx421

Yeah.

Communists really don't like free speech either.




Yeah, go on criticizing communism


Seems like 'democratic' ATS has spoken.

The majority don't like it at all.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pexx421

Yeah.

Communists really don't like free speech either.




Yeah, go on criticizing communism


Seems like 'democratic' ATS has spoken.

The majority don't like it at all.


Well good. And neither does the American left. You’re absolutely right, no one likes communism much. So not sure why everyone here keeps attacking it, when no one here is defending it. Guess y’all like beating dead horses that aren’t even part of the discussion. At any rate I’ve been here a long time, and seen ATS go from a gov critical conspiracy site that took everything with skepticism, to a largely right wing establishment echo chamber. Fortunately, the opinions on here don’t reflect the opinions of the majority of Americans, which in the vast majority of polls fall on the side of consumer protections, banking regulation, single payer healthcare and education.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

That was what national socialism was. It was never a right wing ideology, it was always based on a left wing ideology. It’s just that full on communism would have eliminated any illusion of free market capitalist forces, since what communism is basically is centrally planned ownership of the means of production. The communist Soviet Union also had nationalistic qualities. Leftists frequently try to assert that Stalin’s regime was not really communist. I beg to differ.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pexx421

Yeah.

Communists really don't like free speech either.




Yeah, go on criticizing communism


Seems like 'democratic' ATS has spoken.

The majority don't like it at all.


Well good. And neither does the American left. You’re absolutely right, no one likes communism much. So not sure why everyone here keeps attacking it, when no one here is defending it. Guess y’all like beating dead horses that aren’t even part of the discussion. At any rate I’ve been here a long time, and seen ATS go from a gov critical conspiracy site that took everything with skepticism, to a largely right wing establishment echo chamber. Fortunately, the opinions on here don’t reflect the opinions of the majority of Americans, which in the vast majority of polls fall on the side of consumer protections, banking regulation, single payer healthcare and education.
Ive explained to you that Sanders is communist and his plans and all the other radical leftists in the Democrat Party have proposed far left ideas that teeter between socialism and communism. They just haven’t removed the capitalist side of things, and why? Because they need it to implement their programs. They hate it and need it at the same time, because socialism is taking other people’s money. In fact the entire precept of “ from each according to their ability to each according to their need” is straight out of Marx communist manifesto.
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posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:20 AM
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I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government spends too much of our money and does it poorly.
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government is corrupt.


What literally blows my mind is the same people who say our corrupt government spends too much also wants to give more money, power, authority to the government!

That really takes a special kind of stupid!



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pexx421

Yeah.

Communists really don't like free speech either.




Yeah, go on criticizing communism


Seems like 'democratic' ATS has spoken.

The majority don't like it at all.


Well good. And neither does the American left. You’re absolutely right, no one likes communism much. So not sure why everyone here keeps attacking it, when no one here is defending it. Guess y’all like beating dead horses that aren’t even part of the discussion. At any rate I’ve been here a long time, and seen ATS go from a gov critical conspiracy site that took everything with skepticism, to a largely right wing establishment echo chamber. Fortunately, the opinions on here don’t reflect the opinions of the majority of Americans, which in the vast majority of polls fall on the side of consumer protections, banking regulation, single payer healthcare and education.
Ive explained to you that Sanders is communist and his plans and all the other radical leftists in the Democrat Party have proposed far left ideas that teeter between socialism and communism. They just haven’t removed the capitalist side of things, and why? Because they need it to implement their programs. They hate it and need it at the same time, because socialism is taking other people’s money. In fact the entire precept of “ from each according to their ability to each according to their need” is straight out of Marx communist manifesto.


I’m sorry for your extreme paranoia.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government spends too much of our money and does it poorly.
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government is corrupt.


What literally blows my mind is the same people who say our corrupt government spends too much also wants to give more money, power, authority to the government!

That really takes a special kind of stupid!



I’m with you. I think there’s plenty room to cut the size and money in govt. But then I don’t really see us using the govt to hold our taxes and divvy them out to the health sector as “giving govt more money”. That just gives us collective bargaining power to drive prices to non stratospheric levels. The govt is a non cut taking middle man who can collect the money and provide it to private hospitals and pharmaceutical company meds. In fact for me, though, id be fine with govt funding the majority of medicine drug research, as we already do plenty anyway. We could cut plenty from military, corporate subsidies, etc.

What really throws me is all the people here who constantly paint our govt as absolutely corrupt and nefarious for home issues, but then when it comes to all our military ventures they become “our military can do no wrong!” War crimes and mass murder apologists. As if every single thing they do here is to take all power from the people and enslave us, but when we’re bombing the crap out of women and children, bridal parties etc, it’s all justified and for their own good.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pexx421

Yeah.

Communists really don't like free speech either.




Yeah, go on criticizing communism


Seems like 'democratic' ATS has spoken.

The majority don't like it at all.


Well good. And neither does the American left. You’re absolutely right, no one likes communism much. So not sure why everyone here keeps attacking it, when no one here is defending it. Guess y’all like beating dead horses that aren’t even part of the discussion. At any rate I’ve been here a long time, and seen ATS go from a gov critical conspiracy site that took everything with skepticism, to a largely right wing establishment echo chamber. Fortunately, the opinions on here don’t reflect the opinions of the majority of Americans, which in the vast majority of polls fall on the side of consumer protections, banking regulation, single payer healthcare and education.
Ive explained to you that Sanders is communist and his plans and all the other radical leftists in the Democrat Party have proposed far left ideas that teeter between socialism and communism. They just haven’t removed the capitalist side of things, and why? Because they need it to implement their programs. They hate it and need it at the same time, because socialism is taking other people’s money. In fact the entire precept of “ from each according to their ability to each according to their need” is straight out of Marx communist manifesto.


I’m sorry for your extreme paranoia.
It’s not paranoia it’s FACT! If it were not due capitalist venture of the banks, industry, etc. the socialists would not have the money to do the things they do. It’s FACT that Communist collective farming failed. It’s FACT that Soros the billionaire who pays people to protest worldwide who pays people to promote illegal immigration etc made his money from the capitalist system, from ruining Britains currency. It’s FACT that he’s behind just about every leftist activity in America and other places, promoting Open Borders taxation and every other leftist socialist thing you can imagine and it’s a FACT that he said TRUMP was ruining HIS New World Order. Call it what you want... socialism communism capitalism state capitalism etc ad nauseum but it IS THE New World Order and it’s Totalitarian and it’s sucking the people dry. The UN is the seat of the One World Government and every Democrat who’s running for POTUS is on board.
I’ve no more to say to you. It go ahead and keep promoting it.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Lumenari

According to some estimates US bombings in the Middle East since 2001 have killed over 4,000,000 Arabs.

I'm okay if you don't accept my argument in my OP. But you seem like you just ignored by quoting numbers. Just like guns don't kill, people do. Socialism doesn't kill, bad politicians do.

If you are really going to rate political systems you have to do it a little objectively. Maybe the number of people killed by right wing Republicans is much greater than all the left wing governments combined.


The difference is Socialsim etc killed hundreds of millions of their own people. very different from wars.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government spends too much of our money and does it poorly.
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government is corrupt.


What literally blows my mind is the same people who say our corrupt government spends too much also wants to give more money, power, authority to the government!

That really takes a special kind of stupid!



I’m with you. I think there’s plenty room to cut the size and money in govt. But then I don’t really see us using the govt to hold our taxes and divvy them out to the health sector as “giving govt more money”. That just gives us collective bargaining power to drive prices to non stratospheric levels. The govt is a non cut taking middle man who can collect the money and provide it to private hospitals and pharmaceutical company meds. In fact for me, though, id be fine with govt funding the majority of medicine drug research, as we already do plenty anyway. We could cut plenty from military, corporate subsidies, etc.

What really throws me is all the people here who constantly paint our govt as absolutely corrupt and nefarious for home issues, but then when it comes to all our military ventures they become “our military can do no wrong!” War crimes and mass murder apologists. As if every single thing they do here is to take all power from the people and enslave us, but when we’re bombing the crap out of women and children, bridal parties etc, it’s all justified and for their own good.


If you think the government doesn't take their "cut" you're naive what do you think government waste really is? Mostly government corruption by way of government employees abusing the system to enrich themselves and their friends. They waste more than any CEO etc ever could.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: EverydayInVA

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government spends too much of our money and does it poorly.
I do not know of anyone (left or right) that does not think that our government is corrupt.


What literally blows my mind is the same people who say our corrupt government spends too much also wants to give more money, power, authority to the government!

That really takes a special kind of stupid!



I’m with you. I think there’s plenty room to cut the size and money in govt. But then I don’t really see us using the govt to hold our taxes and divvy them out to the health sector as “giving govt more money”. That just gives us collective bargaining power to drive prices to non stratospheric levels. The govt is a non cut taking middle man who can collect the money and provide it to private hospitals and pharmaceutical company meds. In fact for me, though, id be fine with govt funding the majority of medicine drug research, as we already do plenty anyway. We could cut plenty from military, corporate subsidies, etc.

What really throws me is all the people here who constantly paint our govt as absolutely corrupt and nefarious for home issues, but then when it comes to all our military ventures they become “our military can do no wrong!” War crimes and mass murder apologists. As if every single thing they do here is to take all power from the people and enslave us, but when we’re bombing the crap out of women and children, bridal parties etc, it’s all justified and for their own good.


If you think the government doesn't take their "cut" you're naive what do you think government waste really is? Mostly government corruption by way of government employees abusing the system to enrich themselves and their friends. They waste more than any CEO etc ever could.


The govt doesn’t take a “cut” for profits. Sure, it will have admin costs, and waste fraud and abuse. Just like every system. The private system we currently have has all that PLUS massive profit margins. Thanks for the ad hom too. The whole post and you pick that part to base your whole rejection upon? The vast majority of profit is waste. Profit is economically inefficient. Every bit of difference between cost and profit is a subtraction from economic fluidity. It’s workers unable to pay bills. It’s people unable to buy products. It’s the fruits of someone’s labor monopolized by the wealthy elite. So you can see, small businesses with narrow profit margins are more economically efficient. Larger corporations with vast profit margins are vacuuming up the liquidity in the economic market. Not to mention the 5.7 trillion just sitting in their bank accounts currently, not invested, not producing or building.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

So when the economy is booming this does not make folk generally better off?
Im sure that in your world they would all be waiting to hear the glorious news that although they are starving to death that tractor production figures are up again.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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So, the take away is... don't point out facts that are inconvenient to you, because you don't want to hear it?

Some opinions should be kept quiet. Some when screamed tell all that needs to be said.

a reply to: dfnj2015



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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How do you respond when a certain group of Germans during world war 2 is called out for murdering millions? Do you also defend them as the actions of simple people like you defend socialism here? I haven't seen that, because you are able to recognize that as what it is. Why can't you recognize communism and socialism the same way? Ignorance and prejudice?

a reply to: dfnj2015



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

So when the economy is booming this does not make folk generally better off?
Im sure that in your world they would all be waiting to hear the glorious news that although they are starving to death that tractor production figures are up again.


Well, what does a “booming economy “ mean? Does it mean high corporate profits, high gdp, stock market soaring?? Because all those things can happen, in fact are happening, as the standard of living, wages, workforce participation, and life expectancy decline. Louisiana has one of the highest corporate profit levels in the country. But their median wages, life expectancy, standard of living, healthcare and education are among the worst.

People made mass amounts of money during the roaring 20’s. But the population sure didn’t benefit from it. People were celebrating in 07, “the economy is better than its ever been!!!” Right before millions lost their homes and retirement savings.

Let’s look at it more localized. I’ve worked in hospitals for some time. Their economy has been booming with no stop, even during the 08 crisis. But we still had a wage freeze for 5 years, and raises have yet to resume at their pre bust levels, even though the hospital systems are making record profit every year.

So, no. The standard markers used for a “booming economy” do not necessarily reflect a better life for the majority. In fact, the last 40 years has shown the opposite. The higher the gdp grows, the more people’s wages have fallen behind. Couldn’t be because that gdp and stock and profit are actually being taken from the people, could it? Massive transfer of wealth, fully supported by everyone on here holding the right wing, conservative, corporatist stance.
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posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

As you seem to be economically illiterate and blinded/blinkered by your dogmatic politics I will leave you to it.
Im a Brit by the way and have seen what socialism does to a western economy.
In my direct experience it always leads to the country going broke.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

As you seem to be economically illiterate and blinded/blinkered by your dogmatic politics I will leave you to it.
Im a Brit by the way and have seen what socialism does to a western economy.
In my direct experience it always leads to the country going broke.


Whatever Carpy. You haven’t made a single fact based statement here or presented a single bit of evidence or history. All you’ve done is drop Ill informed personal opinion after opinion with no support for any of your misguided statements. You won’t be missed. Britain is in the tank, worse than ever, and Boris is tearing the govt apart while a no deal brexit is going to drop y’all to the bottom of the European economy like the titanic. Too bad you’ll be forcibly dragging Ireland and Scotland along with you.
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posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: pexx421
So you have not noticed that we are having a General Election here? Which means we have no Govt as Parliament is currently dissolved.
So not only is your grasp of economics tenuous at best, so is your grasp of our political situation.
Your ill informed and misguided opinion on that is?
Excuse me if i take your economic/political predictions with the proverbial pinch of salt that they deserve.
By the way, germany is going down the pan much quicker than we might be.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421
So you have not noticed that we are having a General Election here? Which means we have no Govt as Parliament is currently dissolved.
So not only is your grasp of economics tenuous at best, so is your grasp of our political situation.
Your ill informed and misguided opinion on that is?
Excuse me if i take your economic/political predictions with the proverbial pinch of salt that they deserve.
By the way, germany is going down the pan much quicker than we might be.


Yeah, I’m still waiting for deutchebank to collapse. I expect they’ll likely steal their way out of it. But the eu’s days are numbered, as is the UN. Too bad Greece had to get thrown under the bus for nothing.



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