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Supposedly socialism has killed 200 million people

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posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

What, like history, facts and stuff?




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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I’m done here. It’s obvious that all many of you come to do is insult people who think differently than you. You state opinions, we present facts to discuss and counter those, you ignore said facts and then turn the argument to something else, based upon another opinion. You call govt programs socialism, we point out successful nations with those programs, then you say those nations aren’t socialist. You bring up Venezuela, we point out cofactors of Venezuela, then you turn to Russia and China. You either don’t care to have actual discussions, or don’t know how. Piece!



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Whats with this "we" stuff?
Anyway, another troll wont be missed so good day to you.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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Well, yes we have done all that. The us, Japan, and France invaded Russia right after their civil war I believe. And the us forced China at gunpoint to allow our opium into their markets.
I had to look that up. It was an allied intervention not an “ invasion”.

e Russian Civil War in Vladivostok, Russia, during the end of World War I after the October Revolution, from 1918 to 1920. The force was part of the larger Allied North Russia Intervention. As a result of this expedition early relations between the United States and the Soviet Union were poor.

en.m.wikipedia.org...
It was more specifically in Siberia.
Economic war with China ? Is that what they are calling trade negotiations these days? Typical Progressive banter.
After WWII we should have pushed for occupying Germany like Gen Patton said. Just think there would have been no
Berlin Wall keeping East Berlin in misery.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
I’m done here. It’s obvious that all many of you come to do is insult people who think differently than you. You state opinions, we present facts to discuss and counter those, you ignore said facts and then turn the argument to something else, based upon another opinion. You call govt programs socialism, we point out successful nations with those programs, then you say those nations aren’t socialist. You bring up Venezuela, we point out cofactors of Venezuela, then you turn to Russia and China. You either don’t care to have actual discussions, or don’t know how. Piece!
No, we just disagree with you. Friendly banter right?



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: pexx421




Well, yes we have done all that. The us, Japan, and France invaded Russia right after their civil war I believe. And the us forced China at gunpoint to allow our opium into their markets.
I had to look that up. It was an allied intervention not an “ invasion”.

e Russian Civil War in Vladivostok, Russia, during the end of World War I after the October Revolution, from 1918 to 1920. The force was part of the larger Allied North Russia Intervention. As a result of this expedition early relations between the United States and the Soviet Union were poor.

en.m.wikipedia.org...
It was more specifically in Siberia.
Economic war with China ? Is that what they are calling trade negotiations these days? Typical Progressive banter.
After WWII we should have pushed for occupying Germany like Gen Patton said. Just think there would have been no
Berlin Wall keeping East Berlin in misery.


an allied intervention? where we joined a civil war for the side we wanted to win? When your troops enter another country, and kill their people, thats called invading. Kind of like we did with syria. I suppose staying there now to steal their oil are just "the perks of intervention". I think we can all agree "intervention" is a euphemism for "war". The vietnamese would have something to say on this i expect.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: pexx421
I’m done here. It’s obvious that all many of you come to do is insult people who think differently than you. You state opinions, we present facts to discuss and counter those, you ignore said facts and then turn the argument to something else, based upon another opinion. You call govt programs socialism, we point out successful nations with those programs, then you say those nations aren’t socialist. You bring up Venezuela, we point out cofactors of Venezuela, then you turn to Russia and China. You either don’t care to have actual discussions, or don’t know how. Piece!
No, we just disagree with you. Friendly banter right?


Sure, you've been civil enough, horus. And If my comments dont describe you, then its probably not you I'm directing them to. Although I am pretty sick today....and alternating between debating here and killing spartans in ancient greece ala Assassins creed, so there is that too. Its entirely possible my head fog and distraction make it hard to distinguish between the honest discussion folk and the trolling snark dealers. But hey, what ya gonna do?



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421
Hang on - Napoleon etc "invaded" russia a very long time ago but you do realise that at the time Russia was not socialist/ communist?

Please tell me you knew that?


1918 on side of white Russians.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
I’m done here. It’s obvious that all many of you come to do is insult people who think differently than you. You state opinions, we present facts to discuss and counter those, you ignore said facts and then turn the argument to something else, based upon another opinion. You call govt programs socialism, we point out successful nations with those programs, then you say those nations aren’t socialist. You bring up Venezuela, we point out cofactors of Venezuela, then you turn to Russia and China. You either don’t care to have actual discussions, or don’t know how. Piece!

In any case, I did bring up Venezuela. What co-factors were you referring to? I hope you are not going to blame the US for the problems. It sounds like you are being an apologist for the socialist failure in Venezuela, or at the very least, abuse by a socialist leader. With regard to Russia, the Soviet communist central programming failed. You cannot blame the US for that, or even “ human flaws”. It just didn’t work, in fact I remember that the US had to intervene by supplying The Soviet Empire with grain, as the collective farming system failed.
Skip the ad hom please.
edit on 5-11-2019 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: pexx421




Well, yes we have done all that. The us, Japan, and France invaded Russia right after their civil war I believe. And the us forced China at gunpoint to allow our opium into their markets.
I had to look that up. It was an allied intervention not an “ invasion”.

e Russian Civil War in Vladivostok, Russia, during the end of World War I after the October Revolution, from 1918 to 1920. The force was part of the larger Allied North Russia Intervention. As a result of this expedition early relations between the United States and the Soviet Union were poor.

en.m.wikipedia.org...
It was more specifically in Siberia.
Economic war with China ? Is that what they are calling trade negotiations these days? Typical Progressive banter.
After WWII we should have pushed for occupying Germany like Gen Patton said. Just think there would have been no
Berlin Wall keeping East Berlin in misery.


And hey, lets revisit this for a moment. Is a "trade war" negotiations? What was the purpose of this "trade war"? What is the purpose of sanctions? Lets clear this up. The whole point of the "trade war" with china, is an attempt to keep them from surpassing us economically and technologically. Attempts to limit another nations power because you fear they will eclipse yours are called acts of war. Whether its attempts to manipulate their people through propaganda (information war, psyops), to damage their industry (economic espionage, sanctions), and such things as using NGO's to funnel money to instigate insurrections, coups, etc.

Now, lets focus on sanctions specifically. Sure, its tossed around so much that many people here think its normal politics. The fact of the system is that the US has the ability to sanction other nations because we control all the bank transfer systems all over the world. Now, the clear, and often ignored, point of sanctions is to starve the population and force their living conditions to deteriorate so badly that they rebel. There is a name for targeting civilians in order to effect government policy....that name is terrorism. Millions of people have died due to our sanctions, huge amounts of women and children as well, through starvation and lack of medicines. As estimated, in Iraq alone the sanctions were the cause of death for 500,000 children. We do this all over the world. We do this to china, and russia as well. So, yes. It IS economic warfare.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: pexx421
I’m done here. It’s obvious that all many of you come to do is insult people who think differently than you. You state opinions, we present facts to discuss and counter those, you ignore said facts and then turn the argument to something else, based upon another opinion. You call govt programs socialism, we point out successful nations with those programs, then you say those nations aren’t socialist. You bring up Venezuela, we point out cofactors of Venezuela, then you turn to Russia and China. You either don’t care to have actual discussions, or don’t know how. Piece!
I’m guessing English is not your first language or Common Core failed you.
In any case, I did bring up Venezuela. What co-factors were you referring to? I hope you are not going to blame the US for the problems. It sounds like you are being an apologist for the socialist failure in Venezuela, or at the very least, abuse by a socialist leader. With regard to Russia, the Soviet communist central programming failed. You cannot blame the US for that, or even “ human flaws”. It just didn’t work, in fact I remember that the US had to intervene by supplying The Soviet Empire with grain, as the collective farming system failed.
Skip the ad hom please.


"Piece!" is my little joke.

As to the rest, read. I already posted my thoughts extensively. You're right, russia failed. Good job regurgitating arguments that we are not making. If you cant be bothered to read, i cant be bothered to repeat myself. You are so random, though. I just posted saying you were civil. I guess you consider that an ad hom.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:56 PM
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And to add, a large part of sanctions is stealing money. We seize the money they have in accounts outside their country. This is apparently not understood by most Americans as demonstrated by the uproar when Obama “gave” Iran 50 billion dollars that was actually returning their money we seized years before in sanctions. Currently we have seized over 30 billion from Venezuela. We have cut them off from all world markets, placed an embargo upon them from food and medicine by blockade, instigate a corporatist coup, and then yell “look how bad socialism is!!!”
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posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:56 PM
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I thought you were done here?
Apparently not.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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I really fail to grasp the depths of american doublethink in their ability to justify theft. The first thing we did in ukraine, after fomenting a coup, was to evacuate all the gold in their country to our banks. The first thing we did in libya after we destroyed them, was to steal all their gold reserves, which were quite considerable, and belonged to their people. And now we are stealing syrias oil. And when presented with this very clear demonstration of our lack of morals and accountability? Crickets. Its like when there's things you dont want to address, you just ignore them.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

I thought you were done here?
Apparently not.


Right?? I try to get out, but they just keep pulling me back in!



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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They and we?
Please just go and look at some history.
Or just study. Like reality?



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: pexx421

They and we?
Please just go and look at some history.
Or just study. Like reality?


See. Perfect point here. You don’t try to deny that all of the gold and money was stolen from these countries. You don’t try to show any evidence that the us and western banks and powers don’t engage in the historically accurate and recorded events that I point out. You just say “go read history”. When you, apparently, weren’t even aware of us, Britain, Canada, Japan etc landing troops in Russia and fighting in their civil war. Why don’t YOU go read some history.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 03:12 PM
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I mean, you come off looking like a real idiot when you mock me for not knowing history, when you were just unaware of the event I described. Like you couldn’t even spend a minute on google for verification before telling me I was wrong.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 03:16 PM
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What does any of that have to socialism and or communism?

And please stop shouting in capitals.
Im not deaf, you know.



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 03:22 PM
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Not going to cover 10 pages of I know you are but what am I...

So let me make my guess and if someone would be nice enough to say yay or nay so I know where to start my point I would appreciate it.

The US is bad, the root of all evil Capitalisms has actually killed more people than anything short of the black death.

Socialism and communism are actually much better for the people and the only reason every other nation that has tried it has failed is because the CIA sabotaged it or they just didnt have the right people running it.

Am I far off?




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