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Evidence that Democrats/Socialists Plan on Contiuing to deny Due Process on the Impeachment sham.

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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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On another thread a member, "Liquesence", made the mistake of actually posting the "rules that democrats plan on continuing to use throughout the impeachment sham." She/he actually posted it thinking it proves democrats/socialists are giving due process to the POTUS and are giving the same rights to Republicans to bring their own witnesses, and to cross-examine the witnesses.

Here is a photo of these rules.



Many people in the left have claimed that this is proof that democrats/socialists/authoritarians are now giving due process to the POTUS, and are giving the same rights they enjoy to Republicans... But well, the facts are on the details.

As a matter of fact, there is a section that proves they don't plan on giving the same rights either to Republicans or to the POTUS.

I magnified the really important part that proves democrats/socialists plan to continuing this sham with only them having all the power over the sham that this impeachment is.



Notice that under: "Enables effective public hearings" right at the end it states:


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The resolution also continues the precedence of giving the minority the same rights to question witnesses as the majority has, as has been true at every step of the inquiry.
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It hasn't been true that Republicans have been given the same rights as the majority since Schiff has told witnesses not to answer certain questions asked by republicans.

BTW, there is even a provision which shows they will continue to deny the POTUS and/or his counsel rights as well.

Under "Provides the President opportunities to participate", right at the end it states:




Provides the President opportunities to participate..
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If the President unlawfully refuses to cooperate with Congressional requests, the Chair shall have the discretion to impose appropiate remedies, including by denying specific requests by the President and his counsel.
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Wow....just wow. Schiff whom has been on the record LYING about the POTUS, and for example what was said during his conversation with the Ukrainian President, can make any unConstitutional request from the POTUS and if the POTUS and/or his counsel point out the unConstitutionality of such a request Schiff can do anything he wants, including denying requests done by the POTUS or his counsel.

This is proof that despite the LIES the democrat/socialist leaders keep claiming, in fact they plan on continuing to deny due process to the POTUS, and they plan on continuing to tell witnesses "don't answer that question made by Republicans" as Schiff has done.






edit on 3-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.




posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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It's their only campaign strategy that

guarantees Trump/Republican doesn't defeat them

Again



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Good catch!

However, if what has been happening in reality the last 3 years happens on ATS too (and it does)...

They will be reprogrammed by CNN in the morning and won't remember this.

That's the only explanation I can come up with.

Time and time again the left on ATS has been shown verified proof of something and be debunked, embarrassed, go offline...

And the next day show up and fight about the exact same thing, only to be proven wrong again, debunked, embarrassed...

And the next day show up and fight about the exact same thing...

I'm beginning to believe TDS is an actual mental disorder.

S&F for the post, I'll use it to respond tomorrow to the same people who are coming into your thread to argue it...




posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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Democrat Campaigns have zer0 policies to run on against Trump in 2020.

All they can do is what we see they are doing.

Deflections and Red Herrings galore 😃

The only way they can continue the impeach scam is to lie and cheat 😃



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Democrat Campaigns have zer0 policies to run on against Trump in 2020.



They have a campaign platform!!!

"We're going to take all your money and then crash the economy so we can... take care of you?"

I think it's bloody brilliant!



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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:14 PM
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So much wrong and challengeable with the actual Democratic message ... there’s no need to misrepresent it.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
So much wrong and challengeable with the actual Democratic message ... there’s no need to misrepresent it.



If there is so much wrong with it, then why champion it?

I was talking about you in my first post...

Let's try it again tomorrow when it's new all over again.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Gryphon66
So much wrong and challengeable with the actual Democratic message ... there’s no need to misrepresent it.



If there is so much wrong with it, then why champion it?

I was talking about you in my first post...

Let's try it again tomorrow when it's new all over again.


You really don’t pay attention do you. I champion nothing about the Democratic plans.

Don’t let the facts get in the way though.

Your posts always make grand claims you can’t back up, and frankly, you have no hesitation in misrepresenting the truth.

You think you embarrass anyone here but yourself Lumi?

Now, that’s funny.
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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Gryphon66
So much wrong and challengeable with the actual Democratic message ... there’s no need to misrepresent it.



If there is so much wrong with it, then why champion it?

I was talking about you in my first post...

Let's try it again tomorrow when it's new all over again.


You really don’t pay attention do you. I champion nothing about the Democratic plans.

Don’t let the facts get in the way though.

Your posts always make grand claims you can’t back up, and frankly, you have no hesitation in misrepresenting the truth.

You think you embarrass anyone here but yourself Lumi?

Now, that’s funny.


Your post is funny to me, actually.

Projection Poster Child.

Now, if you didn't understand me politely posting in two different threads that I'll talk to you tomorrow when you're more stable...

I'll talk to you tomorrow when you're more stable.

Night hun.




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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Your posts make the same dull arguments every time you type.

The other posters don’t understand you, they don’t have reading comprehension, they’re leftists, they’re this they’re that.

Your posts are a study in fallacious argument.

Hun.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Republicans did exactly the same thing to Democrats when they held majorities in the House. Republicans are a bunch of whiners. This is what happens.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Economic downturns chase Republican Administrations like Trump chases Big Macs.

Reagan/Bush I, Bush II, hell, Hoover for gods sakes.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Lumenari

Your posts make the same dull arguments every time you type.

The other posters don’t understand you, they don’t have reading comprehension, they’re leftists, they’re this they’re that.

Your posts are a study in fallacious argument.

Hun.


Tonight you've stated that the DNC server was a debunked myth.

Tonight you have stated that the Barr-Durham investigation is mythical.

Tonight you have said that you're not on the side of Democrats, despite your posting history of 425897298562938562398 posts that are pro Schiff, pro Pelosi and pro Trump impeachment.

Your last 4 posts to me appeared to be attempts at an ad-hom attack on me, but they were so weak that I couldn't even get a giggle out of them.

THIS is why I was saying that we should probably try again tomorrow.

Tonight you have the posting equivalent of ED.

I think I'll give you a time out and try again this weekend.




posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Republicans did exactly the same thing to Democrats when they held majorities in the House. Republicans are a bunch of whiners. This is what happens.


Actually, Republicans when they had a majority and did an impeachment went to the Democrats who did the Nixon impeachment, asked for advice and followed it.

Sorry.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 02:04 AM
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Is this like a love story in the making? You two are so cute. Now, can we stop the bickering, and get back on topic. Started out to be a good thread.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:15 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

More abject lies from you.

I stated that the “Crowdstrike server” that Trump thinks is in Ukraine is a debunked myth.

I stated that the hopes and dreams that you and others place on the results of Barr-Durham are magical-mystical .. .because they are. It’s sad and absurd to see some of you think that your perceived political enemies are finally going to get their comeuppance. Over and over and over again.

Blatant lie. What you find if you actually looked is that i argue against lies, fallacies and stupidity ... which might have something to do with your actual issues.

Ad hom attack on you? Oh, that’s rich.

LOL ... careful Lumi, that core control freak is showing.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 05:18 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Republicans did exactly the same thing to Democrats when they held majorities in the House. Republicans are a bunch of whiners. This is what happens.


Actually, Republicans when they had a majority and did an impeachment went to the Democrats who did the Nixon impeachment, asked for advice and followed it.

Sorry.


You really should check out the links I provided the other day. Your Republican buddies did nothing of the sort, notably changing the rules so that the President’s attorneys were not directly involved in, wait for it, the impeachment inquiry.

It really would be so much easier for you guys in your arguments if you just told the truth.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66
Dang , you are just like one of them pestering door to door magazine sales people .
Still trying to get in the door even after it is closed and locked.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Gryphon66
Dang , you are just like one of them pestering door to door magazine sales people .
Still trying to get in the door even after it is closed and locked.


This post is a lot like Trump and his ardent supporters ... anything to distract from the truth.

Sad, very sad.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Due process, let's see LOL doesn't begin to describe my reaction.

I won't trust the transcripts they release either, not one bit.

The "transcripts" that they "promise" to release will have been of testimony given in a closed room, no recordings allowed, no Republicans allowed to speak, no exculpatory evidence allowed to be presented, no lawyers or representatives for the defense allowed.

I expect the transcripts to be carefully scripted and vetted by the Democrats to make Trump look guilty as sin. Well that is to be expected when no exculpatory evidence is allowed. No Republicans were allowed to speak. Sometimes the inquiry was held in secret without telling Republicans so they could not attend. No attorneys allowed to be with the people under inquisition.

What the he-double-toothpicks do the people of the United States with even one ounce of intellect expect those transcripts to look like during the time that due process was not allowed.

Many on ATS have said that due process wasn't needed and was right to be denied, REALLY. What happened to innocent before proven guilty? That no longer applies if you aren't a progressive/liberal/Democrats, only to those who toe the liberal party line? Sure looks like it to me.

I expect the transcripts to look like Trump is Satan himself and not to reflect any sort of reality or honesty. We'll see, but I'm willing to bet it all on my take being correct.

Sounds to me like the Spanish Inquisition, except the people being put on the proverbial rack are all of the "wrong" political ideology and don't follow the sacred religion of liberalism.

What next? Let's take all the people who say Trump is innocent, bind them, throw them in the lake, if they live then we believe them? I wouldn't put a modern version of this past the people who are openly saying this is all about impeaching Trump and Pence together over this and putting Nancy in as President. www.washingtonexaminer.com...

In my opinion, that is what this is REALLY all about, revenge on the American people and taking back the power the Democrats feel is rightfully theirs because they have the "one true religion" - progressive/liberalism. It is clear to me that the Democrats hate/loath/despise every single person who does not subscribe to their religion and is apostate to the ideology they feel is the one, true, and only way people must think, or else.




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