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Debunking some of the Ukraine scandal myths about Biden and election interference

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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:41 PM
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Debunking some of the Ukraine scandal myths about Biden and election interference


Myth: There is no evidence the Democratic National Committee sought Ukraine’s assistance during the 2016 election.

The Facts: The Ukrainian embassy in Washington confirmed to me this past April that a Democratic National Committee contractor named Alexandra Chalupa did, in fact, solicit dirt on Donald Trump and Paul Manafort during the spring of 2016 in hopes of spurring a pre-election congressional hearing into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. The embassy also stated Chalupa tried to get Ukraine’s president at the time, Petro Poroshenko, to do an interview on Manafort with an American investigative reporter working on the issue. The embassy said it turned down both requests.




Myth: There is no evidence that Ukrainian government officials tried to influence the American presidential election in 2016.

The Facts: There are two documented episodes involving Ukrainian government officials’ efforts to influence the 2016 American presidential election. The first occurred in Ukraine, where a court last December ruled that a Parliamentary member and a senior Ukrainian law enforcement official improperly tried to influence the U.S. election by releasing financial records in spring and summer 2016 from an investigation into Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s lobbying activities. The publicity from the release of the so-called Black Ledger documents forced Manafort to resign. You can read that ruling here. While that court ruling since has been set aside on a jurisdiction technicality, the facts of the released information are not in dispute.

The second episode occurred on U.S. soil back in August 2016 when Ukraine’s then-ambassador to Washington, Valeriy Chaly, took the extraordinary step of writing an OpEd in The Hill criticizing GOP nominee Donald Trump and his views on Russia just three months before Election Day. You can read that OpEd here.

Chaly later told me through his spokeswoman that he wasn’t writing the OpEd for political purposes but rather to address his country’s geopolitical interests. But his article, nonetheless, was viewed by many in career diplomatic circles as running contrary to the Geneva Convention’s rules barring diplomats from becoming embroiled in the host country’s political affairs. And it clearly adds to the public perception that Ukraine’s government at the time preferred Hillary Clinton over Trump in the 2016 election.




Myth: The allegation that Joe Biden tried to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian gas firm employer has been debunked, and there is no evidence the ex-vice president did anything improper.

The Facts: Joe Biden is captured on videotape bragging about his effort to strong-arm Ukraine’s president into firing Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. Biden told a foreign policy group in early 2018 that he used the threat of withholding $1 billion in U.S. aid to Kiev to successfully force Shokin’s firing. You can watch Biden’s statement here.

It also is not in dispute that at the time he forced the firing, the vice president’s office knew Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings, the company where Hunter Biden worked as a board member and consultant. Team Biden was alerted to the investigation in a December 2015 New York Times article. You can read that article here.


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Hopefully this will help some people understand the claims and the actual facts for those claims (or denials, depending on your political leaning). In addition to the above 6 more myths and the actual facts surrounding those myths are included in the article.



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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:45 PM
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S+F

Apoplectic democrats in denial of reality in 3,2,1......


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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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Thank you SO much for the post... it seems our frenemies on the left here completely forget these basic facts on a weekly basis and must be reminded and reminded...

And reminded...

Now I can just post your OP as a reply to some.

S&F and thank you again for the work!



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: Xcathdra

S+F

Apoplectic democrats in denial of reality in 3,2,1......


They will go straight to demonizing the author of the article.

In 2,1...



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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Appreciate the thread.

These last couple of weeks, leftist have been on a disinfo spree, they are actually convinced this will lead to something.

Whatever the case may be, the real action and news is Durham, not this fake impeachment scam pushed by the Do Nothing Dems.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:55 PM
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Interesting analysis
Thanks



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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Sooooooooo......impeach them all?


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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:06 PM
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Those facts would stop a normal thinking person in their tracks, but I’ve never seen a Leftist that cares about facts.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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Notice none of them have posted a rebuttal yet?



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten
Notice none of them have posted a rebuttal yet?


Left wing talking points and rebuttals come out at 4:30am EST for the Hive.

Until then they have to wing it.

And they're not too good at the "thinking for yourself" thing.



edit on 3-11-2019 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: ErEhWoN
a reply to: Xcathdra


Sooooooooo......impeach them all?



Ukrainegate - What You’re Not Being Told





Ukrainegate - What You’re Not Being Told




Biden was either attaching US loan guarantees to a corrupt prosecutor getting fired or he was attaching US loan guarantees to his son’s prosecutor getting fired. Or maybe both....

..... the Russians wanted to rig the election by showing how the DNC was rigging the election... Somehow, that second part got left out when the scandal turned into the basis of the Russiagate circus


quid pro quo for foreign aid is business as usual .... Should he be impeached? Sure! But then, so should every president or administration who engages in such activity. Which, let’s be clear, is all of them.




posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: HalWesten
Notice none of them have posted a rebuttal yet?


Left wing talking points and rebuttals come out at 4:30am EST for the Hive.

Until then they have to wing it.

And they're not too good at the "thinking for yourself" thing.



still no arrivals
math is hard
specially for months and days......



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: Xcathdra

S+F

Apoplectic democrats in denial of reality in 3,2,1......

seems they want no part of this anaylsis

interesting



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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It's obvious to me that TPTB are going after Trump without any offense worth prosecuting.

Basically going after Trump for investigating the real criminals involved in the Ukrainian scandal. Who stole billions of dollars from the USA taxpayer. If these DNC criminals hate Trump so much it only proves we need Trump more than most of us realize. He's hitting a nerve in the snake head.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: Doctor Smith
It's obvious to me that TPTB are going after Trump without any offense worth prosecuting.

Basically going after Trump for investigating the real criminals involved in the Ukrainian scandal. Who stole billions of dollars from the USA taxpayer. If these DNC criminals hate Trump so much it only proves we need Trump more than most of us realize. He's hitting a nerve in the snake head.



Yip, that's about the gist of it. It's more projection from the Dems.


In case anyone missed it. "Glenn (Beck) reveals the facts that the media refuse to share and breaks down the entire Ukraine timeline on the chalkboard."


edit on 4-11-2019 by kyosuke because: video link not working



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: kyosuke

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
It's obvious to me that TPTB are going after Trump without any offense worth prosecuting.

Basically going after Trump for investigating the real criminals involved in the Ukrainian scandal. Who stole billions of dollars from the USA taxpayer. If these DNC criminals hate Trump so much it only proves we need Trump more than most of us realize. He's hitting a nerve in the snake head.



Yip, that's about the gist of it. It's more projection from the Dems.


In case anyone missed it. "Glenn (Beck) reveals the facts that the media refuse to share and breaks down the entire Ukraine timeline on the chalkboard."



corrected the video link ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 👆 ☝️



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 10:00 PM
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Good thread Xcathdra. S+F

BTW, to add to your thread people have to remember that right after Shokin was fired, and an agency which was pro-Clinton/pro-Biden immediately closed the investigation into the corruption of Burisma holdings. Socialists/democrats want to claim that Shokin was corrupt and wasn't investigating, but the fact is after he was fired the investigation was closed by the pro-democrat agency that the former Ukrainian administration put in charge of the "investigation".


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Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Bidens narrative.
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In addition, Burismas American team offered to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Obama administration officials to make amends, according to that memo and the American legal teams internal emails.

The memos raise troubling questions:

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutors firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations asfalse information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burismas American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
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Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

Shokin was at first told to back off the investigation into Burisma Holdings. Socialists/democrats are hiding behind the false claim that "Shokin was corrupt" to simply end the investigation.



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The fired prosecutor at the center of the Ukraine controversy said during a private interview with President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani earlier this year that he was told to back off an investigation involving a natural gas firm that was linked to Joe Biden’s son, according to details of that interview that were handed over to Congress by the State Department’s inspector general Wednesday.

Fox News obtained a copy of Giuliani’s notes from his January 2019 interview with fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin in which he claimed that his “investigations stopped out of fear of the United States.”

“Mr. Shokin attempted to continue the investigations but on or around June or July of 2015, the U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt told him that the investigation has to be handled with white gloves, which according to Mr. Shokin, that implied do nothing,” the notes from the interview stated. The notes also claimed Shokin was told Biden had held up U.S. aid to Ukraine over the investigation.
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Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show




edit on 4-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.



posted on Nov, 4 2019 @ 11:52 PM
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