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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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I have been studying counter sniper technology advances for a book I am working on and came up with a technology crossover application I think might one day soon become of technical relevance to this sector. The primary technology I reviewed was of the acoustic sensor type. I am sure this has itself become a topic of discussion here on ATS in the past. BBN’s Boomerang a vehicle-mounted anti-sniper system that uses sound localization to quickly target enemy snipers and direct return fire. This was the first real advance in finding a firing solution against a sniper in near real time.

The second major combat tested player on this technology scene was WeaponWatch which picks up on the infrared signature of every weapon the moment it is fired, instantly identifying it from a database of thousands of weapons muzzle flashes and relaying its position on screen. It has already proven itself in combat. It is available in a drone sensor package. Imagine if this technology was used for automatic fire adjustment of automatic robotic guns.

This led me to look at long range metal detection technology. Lots of that info online is bogus but I figured someone must be working on area location and tracking of metal objects using RF discrimination of some sort. This then led me to antenna detection. This technology is fairly close range but provides some clues to the work-ability of the concept of detection of metal shapes that are wave guides by virtue of their shape.

i think we are close to the capacity of being able to detect not just transmitters and receivers at a distance but we can use this wave guide detection methodology to locate and track tube shaped metal structures (barrels). Anti-sniper technology is progressing a lot now days. These are just a few. They even can notice based on the gate of a person in a video image if they have armed themselves while under observation.




posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: machineintelligence

This kinda feels like over thinking the situation..
The average sniper shooting range is under a half mile.
Yeah I know the record is around two miles..but that's not practical.

I would think infrared or some type of thermal sensors would pick out a sniper at that distance.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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Except: One shot, one kill. Detecting sniper fire after the fact is a moot point.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:02 PM
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Short-wavelength LIDAR might be useful to see through camouflage to pick up out of place polished metal. Like the archeologists use for finding overgrown jungle temples, but more fine-tuned for metal than rocks.

But as time goes quickly on, it seems like it will all be drone versus drone. Claims of better accuracy and target intelligence aside, unless we're primarily talking about poor insurgents drones are a good, cheap alternative to having a guy do it right there on the scene.

So maybe it's just like in the Terminator. Smart drones fighting each other and rapidly evolving until they achieve sentience.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: machineintelligence
BBN’s Boomerang a vehicle-mounted anti-sniper system that uses sound localization to quickly target enemy snipers and direct return fire. This was the first real advance in finding a firing solution against a sniper in near real time.


Farfetched. All of it.

Figure the odds that one of these things is gonna be in your neighborhood when you need it. LOL



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Deplorable

These are in deployment testing but they number in the hundreds so far. Even though the test data set is small it is field operable so hardly far fetched.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: machineintelligence

Sound bi-location.Gives generic location which is enough to snuff any Sniper mission and turn it into a suicide Mission....a Sniper who can be located accurately and immediately by sound alone is a Kamikaze not a Sniper.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: one4all

Both the acoustic detectors and the thermal IR detectors are field operable and are now under contract and are advancing through international arms control restriction licensing agreements so they can be sold to US allies.

The only thing I am bringing in new is the concept of detecting barrels at distance based on directional detection of steel tubes pointed in a given direction based on how RF signals bounce around a cyclindrical wave guide of a certain group of metals like hardened steel.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: machineintelligence

This kinda feels like over thinking the situation..
The average sniper shooting range is under a half mile.
Yeah I know the record is around two miles..but that's not practical.

I would think infrared or some type of thermal sensors would pick out a sniper at that distance.


Its not practicle until they perfect the guided bullet.



posted on Nov, 13 2019 @ 06:54 PM
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This is a good solid story including information on all the major contractor devices in testing in the field. Anti-Sniper Systems Finding Their Range



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: one4all

Well only if we are talking about an under-trained sniper, Snipers are trained to move immediatly after taking the first shot so as to not be located, a single shot will not give you away two though will give a rough direction of where your firing from, even with directional detection technology in the field a well trained sniper will fire relocate and fire again if necessary .

Further more a well trained sniper only needs one shot, some one who stays in one hide firing over and over simply trying to get maximum kills is no sniper that is just some foreign fighter with an SVD Dragunov taking hail mary shots hoping for the best.



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 01:22 AM
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A drone flying overhead w/ acoustic/thermal and site of interest air pressure tracking-monitoring would be able to circle said site and immediately locate and or respond to single or multiple threats.

a reply to: machineintelligence



posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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Just use one of these.
"The Gamo Magnum is one of the most powerful break barrels in the market. It features the most powerful IGT MACH 1 from Gamo, delivering velocities up to 1,650 fps in .177 Cal and 1,300 fps in .22 Cal. These velocities are achieved thanks to the MACH 1 gas piston and the 33 mm cylinder."

very Low heat. no muzzle flash. you will not detect this!
it is a AIR rifle!

edit on 18-11-2019 by buddha because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 04:31 AM
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Can they scale down Counter-battery radar for Artillery detection?



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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You know what might also work? Something that detects unusual concentrations of CO2. A sniper and his spotter still have to breathe sometimes. Some kind of spectrometer might be able to catch some clouds of CO2 and zero in on where they're at. Also... maybe... something that picks up subsonic sound, so you can hear heartbeats. Anyway, something that looks for environmental traces having to do with being a physical human in a spot.



posted on Nov, 19 2019 @ 12:04 PM
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I hate to give this away for free.
you use a computer program to combine multiple detection types.
so levels that would normally be to low combined
will give you a far better chance to detect a target.
and you combine multiple detection locations.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
Except: One shot, one kill. Detecting sniper fire after the fact is a moot point.


One shot, one kill is an aspiration, not a reality. Research has demonstrated an average realistic sniper hit rate of 1 in 3 in combat conditions at 800m.

Never mind the fact that if the first shot is a hit, there is a whole unit of his mates still alive, gunning for the sniper.



posted on Nov, 30 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: buddha

You haven't given anything away for free, time distance of arrival detector arrays are old as hell and work great except when they don't which is entirely based on your digital signal processing capacity, precision of array positioning, and a few other things.

As a secondary note, your air rifle comment is just plain stupid and proves you don't understand even the most rudimentary basics of sound propagation much less have a single clue about terminal ballistics or modern firearms.

Have fun trying to "snipe" from 30 meters with your air gun and getting your ass blown away by the people who INSTANTLY hear your shot go off, see their VERY PISSED OFF and at best slightly injured buddy, and commence to killing you so dead your soul won't even survive!

Maybe actually learn something about a subject before acting like you have anything useful or relevant to add next time.



posted on Dec, 3 2019 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: machineintelligence

24/7/365 Drone coverage w/acoustic radar--infra-red....full stop you are now a One-Shot Deadman ….. you will not need to attempt tactical egress.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: machineintelligence

24/7/365 Drone coverage w/acoustic radar--infra-red....full stop you are now a One-Shot Deadman ….. you will not need to attempt tactical egress.


Completely impractical. It is impossible to have full time drone coverage of an entire TAOR. They are a limited asset with a set area to cover. This has been demonstrated in Afghanistan and Iraq, where technologically inferior enemy were able to carry out single shot engagements within 800m and escape undetected despite going against the most technologically advanced military on the planet.

Acoustic radar is definitely a threat, but again needs to be set up with the right coverage. Suppressed rifles (which are the norm these days) help reduce the accuracy of these. There are also ways of confusing acoustic systems such as coordinated IDF among other methods.



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