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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Byrd
Actually, I don't define it that way.
I defined "divestment" as "relinquishing control."
Being elected to an office should not require one to take a vow of poverty... practically every politician owns houses (many multiple houses) and stocks/bonds. Being elected to a national office does not prevent one from possession of that which they have worked for up to that point.
if Senator Joe Blow is on a committee that controls foreign aid to Somewhereistan, and all of the officials from Somewhereistan are staying in a hotel chain that Joe owns, instead of other hotels that offer similar rooms cheaper, one could say that Joe is taking advantage of Somewhereistan diplomats. If those diplomats were to stop staying in Joe's hotel and suddenly Joe voted to cut off their aid, it would become pretty obvious that Joe was using his office for profit.
But if Joe is offering rooms for the going rate and the diplomats stayed there by their own choice, it is a simple exchange of service for pay... no gift was given, and no emolument occurred. If Somewhereistan diplomats are staying in other hotels and still receiving aid, then there is obviously no conflict.
It all depends on the intention and any requirement to utilize a particular service. I am still waiting for some evidence to come to light that Donald Trump has used his office for profit... so far there has been none. As a matter of fact, he donates his salary back to the Treasury.
The truth is NO previous Presidents have done this. They have all tried to make it look like they did, and the other politicians and the media always told us they did.
But exactly how, then, did they all retire wealthy after 4 or 8 years?
The Presidential salary is impressive, but not that impressive! What you say, if true, would mean that Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, both Bushes, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter... all would have left the White House as upper middle class citizens on a fixed income. None of them did. They left as wealthy individuals with tons of resources at their disposal.
Imagine for one moment if your job required you to give up any and all business interests you owned, your home, your retirement, everything so you could work there for 8 years and make a decent salary. Would you take that? Would anyone?
I don't like Trump - it's true. I don't think he's a monster. I do think he's out of his depth. I'll just leave it at that
I don't like what's happening in this country, but it's not going to improve by making it easier for all of us to think less. Pointing a finger at one person and pinning it all on him absolves a lot of people of responsibility
I don't kid myself into thinking that you see this the same way I do, but I think we're all in real trouble Red, and it's better to talk it out than to not
So - thank you. It's a start
I didn't define it as that because I looked up the legal definition.
In other words, there's a million ways to hide influence buying.
Did you see today's news?
They really did sell off assets.
Because they were all extremely wealthy BEFORE they got into office. And your notion of "retiring wealthy" actually doesn't match. Richard Nixon was down to $500 at one point
They make their money from speaking engagements
And as for donations, Trump's donation of his salary is not unique and is actually fairly minor. Other presidents (Obama, for instance) donated a million dollars to charitable efforts during their presidency. You may recall some of Trump's promised donations that didn't happen. I don't doubt that he donated his salary, but it's actually a trivial amount of money (to billionaires. To us, it's more money than either of us sees in a decade.)
originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha
The republican senate will block it... something that is a surprise to no one..
originally posted by: JustJohnny
I would be shocked if we have seen the last of his close friends be prosecuted..
For the oramge man himself, I think TPTB will be happy to see him slink away in disgrace.
originally posted by: JustJohnny
I think one of the most ridiculous parts of the trump phenomenon is the mental gymnastics people do to explain away his craziness when the real truth is none of them care if he is guilty.
So why not just be honest about it???
If you think the “leftists” are such a threat that it is worth trump making back room deals with enemy governments to stop them.. just say that...
If you think it is worth trump using military aid to stop them, then just say that...
If you think his lies are worth it because they “piss off the left”.. then just say that..
I personally find that a way more logical argument than the alternative.. well if you buy into the Fox News version of reality at least.
Then you won’t look like a totally silly when you regurgitate they talking points memo trump sends out every morning..
This is not a joke... I do not mean this sarcastically..
It just seems better to be real..
More agreement between us.
Where we are is no one person's fault. It is the result of multiple people, from both parties, across decades of time, all working feverishly to weave a web of protection that they thought would serve to insulate them from consequences for their actions. We saw Fast and Furious swept under the rug. We saw the Patriot Act turn us all into suspects and strip us of freedom. We saw an 18-year war against an enemy that didn't even participate in the attack that started it. We saw a slush fund uncovered to prevent our leaders from consequences for the very things they would have us dismembered for.
No, it has been a long, long line of politicians and pundits that led to this.
So thank you as well. And I will point out that, without the suspicion and "snark," we have agreed on all three separate points you made.
I will ask one thing of you: the next time you hear of Trump doing something unconscionable, stop, think, look it up, and see if he really did.
We've had many starts, sir... I pray this one takes hold.
And it's not even a miracle Red - we both just adjusted our attitudes and our approach
I will say something that won't make me any points probably, but the media could have handled the past 3 years better.
I do too...but still not a sir