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posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

I doubt you goofed - I'm sure somewhere that was the story. It's the internet - right?




posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Maybe you think I only got involved in this thread to claim that Senior Trump is just a dick? :-)

There are better bits written on that out in the wild

Naw Red - I was curious to hear which facts the Dems were ignoring. Like I said elsewhere - I don't believe in monsters. I do believe in misinformation - and teams

Nice story though regardless. Maybe Obama did someone a good turn here or there? Bush, Clinton? I'd like to believe we're all capable from time to time

Ciao for now - from someone you actually know?



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: Extorris


Trump's companies are all private.

Donald Trump doesn't own any companies. He divested. He still owns stock, but it is held in trust and Donald Trump cannot even talk shop with his kids over Thanksgiving Dinner.


What has been made public by Trump is often contradictory. He might claim an inflated worth in order to recieve a loan and then claim a dramatically different worth for tax purposes.

You seem confused.

Collateral value is established by the lender, not the borrower. I can claim my house is worth $10,000,000 all I want; the bank's appraiser is not going to agree.

Taxes have nothing to do with wealth; taxes are on income. A person could be worth $100 billion, but if they don't get any income during the year they pay no taxes.

Taxes are verified against source data... no one 'estimates' anything to pay taxes (with the one exception of estimated future taxes, which are just advance payments and not actual taxes owed). Do you estimate your income, or do you have to attach W-2s/1099s for verification?


He also has not released his taxes.

So at the end of the day his worth can be only estimated by different methods

Again, there is nothing on Trump's taxes (or anyone's taxes) about net worth.


far too much muddy water for anyone to know how much he has profited or lost during the past few years or where any revenue originates.

I assure you, the IRS is not at all confused. They have been auditing Trump's tax returns for several years straight. If there was a penny error or he misspelled his address, Rachal Maddow would find out and call for his head on a silver platter covered in marinara sauce. After all, I have seen bottomless buckets that leak less than Washington DC.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 05:38 PM
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It seems odd those without moral currency are trying to call others out. You have overdrawn your account and it has been closed until all back owed payments have been paid in full.

When emotions stop being the driving cause of action, when truth instead of party line carries some weight, you've taken a step in the right direction. Otherwise your words fall on deaf ears as you are simply speaking to your base.
a reply to: JustJohnny



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Hey, you asked for evidence that Trump is not "a monster." I gave some.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris


Trump's companies are all private.

Donald Trump doesn't own any companies. He divested. He still owns stock, but it is held in trust and Donald Trump cannot even talk shop with his kids over Thanksgiving Dinner.


Bizarre.

You realize none of that is true, don't you?

He did not divest like virtually all President's before him.

It is not held in "trust", blind or otherwise.

He simply said Don Jr. would run it all, Senior still owns it.

Trump says won't divest from his business while president
www.reuters.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

As far as we know - all you have is evidence that his minions aren't monsters

:-)



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

How much money does the USA have? Negative trillions or something



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Not saying i'm disagreeing with what you say, but.....to claim Donald Trump doesn't talk shop with his son is a bit naive. you telling me when no one is around and it's just him and his son he doesn't say one word about business at all? Ya I highly doubt that. They may say he is not allowed to and he may agree to it but I can guarantee you he talks shop with his son LOL



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

Oh, it's quite true. The arrangement Trump (I should say his lawyers, actually) came up with is far beyond a simple blind trust. Reuters, like most of the MSM, either can't understand it (likely) or is just lying (possible). I don't even understand all the details, but I do understand enough to know it leaves Donald Trump completely out of the picture where any businesses are concerned. They are now primarily owned and controlled by his children. He maintains certain stock portfolios but divests any control and there are safeguards to prevent profiting from his position as well.

Think of it this way: it's like someone were required to file a form 1040EZ for their taxes, but they filed a full 1040 and itemized, even though it cost them extra to do so.

That's a simile, by the way... I am not saying what form Donald Trump filed. I felt I needed to point that out.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Hey, if you just want to hate, go ahead and hate. It's your right. I wouldn't go around asking for information you just have to try and refute in that case, though.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 5 2019 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: jidnum


Not saying i'm disagreeing with what you say, but.....to claim Donald Trump doesn't talk shop with his son is a bit naive.

Not saying they don't, just saying he isn't supposed to.

Besides, the point was that he has been reported as losing money since winning the election, but then is also accused by the same organization of making money off his position. Making so much money he's losing money. Does no one get that contradiction?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris

Oh, it's quite true. The arrangement Trump (I should say his lawyers, actually) came up with is far beyond a simple blind trust. Reuters, like most of the MSM, either can't understand it (likely) or is just lying (possible). I don't even understand all the details, but I do understand enough to know it leaves Donald Trump completely out of the picture where any businesses are concerned.


That statement is unsound and self-contradictory and disproved by REALITY aka Declarations and Statements by everyone involved, including Trump and Family.

I will grant you grace in not claiming you are being intentionally dishonest, but it is odd for you to speak complete BS with such confidence.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

It still misses the point I was trying to make: how is it that Donald Trump is making so much money off his government position, but at the same time is losing money? Is that not self-contradictory?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris

It still misses the point I was trying to make: how is it that Donald Trump is making so much money off his government position, but at the same time is losing money? Is that not self-contradictory?

TheRedneck



A) I never claimed he is both making money off his position as POTUS AND Losing Money. (But that is certainly possible)
I have only claimed he is making money due to his position as President and doing so MORE than any President before him.

B) As to your other question,
"making so much money off his government position, but at the same time is losing money? Is that not self-contradictory?"

NO. Not at all.

EVERY business both makes money and loses money. Revenues and expenses.

Increased Revenue or decreased expenses does not mean increased profit.

Nothing Contradictory.

Revenue is not Profit, nor are expenses losses.

Trump could have a loss of 2 Million Dollars for a given month, have 100 Secret Service, Aides, Staff etc stay at Mar-Largo and INCREASE REENUES for the month by 1 Million.

In that example he would have profited from his office by 1 Million dollars, reduced his losses by the same amount (from a loss of 2M to 1M), but still had losses of 1 Million for the month.

In that scenario he still loses money, but made 1M in a month by being Potus.

Let me know if that fails to make sense to you.


edit on 6-11-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I said I would like to be shown that Trump isn't a monster. So far you've convinced me that our government is functioning - and not peopled with monsters

I've already said I don't believe in monsters. Calling someone a monster is a kind of trick that's meant to make us think that they aren't just regular people - that have done crappy things

So it's not about hate redneck - though you seem to need for me to be a hater to fluff up your argument

I'd still like to see evidence of Trumps genuine goodness in action



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

Uh, your business acumen is lacking. There is profit, revenue, expenses, and losses. When the net worths of men like Obama and Clinton increased hundreds of fold during their presidencies while Trump's net worth has remained stagnant or even gone down per about half of the estimates, it's ridiculous to suggest he's profited more than any before him from his position in the White House.

Losses come out of profits first, then become debt if the profit isn't enough to cover them. So no, it is not possible to make huge profits and lose huge sums simultaneously on the same product.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

I would be willing to consider this premise if the left didn't nominate and vote for Hillary who's done all of this but over a much longer period of time.

Welcome to politics.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Okay. I don't care. I really don't
care about labels. Only action. Libs/socialist/communist have done way more damage to this country than Pres. Trump has.

But before I go on, J.F.K. although a Democrat, was more of an American than all the current, living Democrats put together. And so they killed him!

J.F.K. was more of a conservative than modern conservatives.

Read history, you may learn something.



posted on Nov, 6 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

The claim was made by NBC, I think, not you. However, it is a claim that is contradicted by the same NBC in other stories. My accusation of contradiction was aimed generally, not specifically at you.

Your explanation ignores one important fact: before becoming President, Donald Trump was well-known for making money and increasing his wealth. He apparently (again, according to NBC) started losing money only after becoming President. So if he is making money and losing wealth, he is making much less today than he did before 2016.

Now, explain to me why anyone would accept a position that made them less than before it was accepted, if their intent was to increase their income?

Also, we are not talking about (at least I am not talking about) gross profit and loss. I am talking about combined income and loss. If Donald Trump loses $2 million because he's President and gains $1 million back from his position as President, he still lost $1 million due to his position as President. He has less today than he did a year ago. That is a seriously bad decision for a businessman to make, certainly for one whose past performance has established him as quite capable of continuing to profit. So the fact that he continues to occupy the Oval Office and is even running for re-election is then proof that he is not performing the position for financial reasons.

There is one of the contradictory claims I mentioned. Trump is only using the Presidency to make money... but Trump is losing money instead of making it, suffering a net loss instead of a net gain. How can both be true? How can Trump be increasing his net worth (a financial net profit) if his net worth is decreasing (a financial net loss)?

The answer is that he can't... and you have only proved your incorrectness. Your attempts to explain how all this is possible are, to put it bluntly, in line with the First Rule of Engineering: "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS."

TheRedneck




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