Density of Martian atmosphere mostly have to do with gravity, first cosmic velcocity and kinetic energy of gass molecules, and that 's it.
But Mars atmosphere could be denser than we think.
And one more thing, look at the what we are into building massive underground facilities, this is what all Mars is now, big underground base, where
you can control everything, even comet cores should sustain life in that way by heating and keeping the energy below the surface when away from
sun.
But what I still had not seen here it is counter proof on my theory
We are not from this planet, possibly from Mars&Nibiru???, page 10
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reply posted on 9-2-2008 @ 11:35 AM by eyewitness86
reply to post by Aelita
I was with you until you pulled a dishonest move: It is NOT OK to ask a question that the writer never even came close to hinting at: " Are you saying that Africans are damaged?" and then asking if he is a racist all in the same breath. By saying that NORTHERN hemispheres have lower UV rates, I did not ASSUME ANYTHING Negative or racist about it, how could you?
You extrapolated far afield from the subject matter: While I agree that the post is silly and not backed by anything that can be measured, I still do not like seeing people accused of being a racist because they frame a statement in a way that literally has to be turned upside down and misinterpreted to be taken that way.
If I say that in all of human history there has never been a shred of evidence that the negroid race in Lower Africa developed beyond tribal and rudimentary technologies before the edvent of colonialism, would that make me a racist or an accurate historian? If I say that in my opinion that if Africa had been left alone, the lower half at least, and never had any foreigner ever set foot on the Continent at least below the Sahara, and a traveler were to arrive there today that he would find exactly the society that was found in the 1500's, with no technology, and no paved roads and infrastructure such as sewers and running water and transportation systems and health care beyond the witch doctor stage, and no buildings that were constructed to stand for more than a brief period, would that make me a racist or an accurate guesser of the state of developmental abilities of peopls left alone and not influenced by ' modern ' society?
I am NOT a racist of any kind, my many friends of color will tell you that, but I am not afraid to state what I believe to be the truth if I have historical reason for soing so, such as recorded and discovered examples of archeology and history that give a clue as to what is likley. That does NOT mean anything that could lead one to call names.
Opinion can be challenged, established facts cannot. While I disagree with the OP on his views, merely mentioning the things he did in NO WAY , shape or form should cause the reader to assume anything negative at all. The poster was merely strectching his theory about the earth and human nature to the sun and the hemisphere: That should never bring any calls or racism. Now the entire southern hemisphere cannot be mentioned without someone alleging some evil intent?
Me thinks that ye doth protest too much!!
I was with you until you pulled a dishonest move: It is NOT OK to ask a question that the writer never even came close to hinting at: " Are you saying that Africans are damaged?" and then asking if he is a racist all in the same breath. By saying that NORTHERN hemispheres have lower UV rates, I did not ASSUME ANYTHING Negative or racist about it, how could you?
You extrapolated far afield from the subject matter: While I agree that the post is silly and not backed by anything that can be measured, I still do not like seeing people accused of being a racist because they frame a statement in a way that literally has to be turned upside down and misinterpreted to be taken that way.
If I say that in all of human history there has never been a shred of evidence that the negroid race in Lower Africa developed beyond tribal and rudimentary technologies before the edvent of colonialism, would that make me a racist or an accurate historian? If I say that in my opinion that if Africa had been left alone, the lower half at least, and never had any foreigner ever set foot on the Continent at least below the Sahara, and a traveler were to arrive there today that he would find exactly the society that was found in the 1500's, with no technology, and no paved roads and infrastructure such as sewers and running water and transportation systems and health care beyond the witch doctor stage, and no buildings that were constructed to stand for more than a brief period, would that make me a racist or an accurate guesser of the state of developmental abilities of peopls left alone and not influenced by ' modern ' society?
I am NOT a racist of any kind, my many friends of color will tell you that, but I am not afraid to state what I believe to be the truth if I have historical reason for soing so, such as recorded and discovered examples of archeology and history that give a clue as to what is likley. That does NOT mean anything that could lead one to call names.
Opinion can be challenged, established facts cannot. While I disagree with the OP on his views, merely mentioning the things he did in NO WAY , shape or form should cause the reader to assume anything negative at all. The poster was merely strectching his theory about the earth and human nature to the sun and the hemisphere: That should never bring any calls or racism. Now the entire southern hemisphere cannot be mentioned without someone alleging some evil intent?
Me thinks that ye doth protest too much!!
reply posted on 26-5-2008 @ 03:50 AM by personal stalker
reply to post by MankoW
Your points may not be the best, but I agree that we may very well be some type of genetically altered being that is mamilian based with a higher intelligence. If we evolved here millions of years, then why is it in the colder climates we haven't evolved with more hair? Another question is if we evolved here, why are we as humans some of the most helpless beings at birth? We have no real means to defend ourselves other that the use of our brains. We have no claws, sharp teeth, or anything else to truly defend ourselves, yet we DO have many natural enemies. It's an interesting topic and shouldn't just be written off. Also, humans don't seem to be born with any real instinct, at least as far as I can tell. We all seem to be "trained", and are very trainable, at that. Even Darwin stated that the science world had taken his theory, and turned it into a religion. This upset him, as he only meant it to be a theory which had yet to be proven. I myself don't buy the creation, and I don't buy evolution as far as humans are concerned. I THINK we're something different.
Your points may not be the best, but I agree that we may very well be some type of genetically altered being that is mamilian based with a higher intelligence. If we evolved here millions of years, then why is it in the colder climates we haven't evolved with more hair? Another question is if we evolved here, why are we as humans some of the most helpless beings at birth? We have no real means to defend ourselves other that the use of our brains. We have no claws, sharp teeth, or anything else to truly defend ourselves, yet we DO have many natural enemies. It's an interesting topic and shouldn't just be written off. Also, humans don't seem to be born with any real instinct, at least as far as I can tell. We all seem to be "trained", and are very trainable, at that. Even Darwin stated that the science world had taken his theory, and turned it into a religion. This upset him, as he only meant it to be a theory which had yet to be proven. I myself don't buy the creation, and I don't buy evolution as far as humans are concerned. I THINK we're something different.
reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 06:21 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by sinatracementshoes
-98.6% shared DNA
-Bacteria manipulates DNA (even our personalities, did you know that?)
These are both fair facts. Now lets apply logic.
We are a product of our surroundings, we we share the same bacteria as everything else on this rock, so its fair say if the above statements are true that we also have the same "dna manipulating effect".
This makes us 98.6 similar because of the bacteria found on earth, not our necessarily our genetic source (two enzymes in a pond). Take away bacteria and we die. We cannot digest food, we cannot see, arguably we might not even have certain congnative thought, we'd be a lifeless shell.
Think about this, just because we're almost totally identical, doesn't mean the code for "sentience" came from here. This also means that sentience might not be inherent to some SPECIAL human thing, there is no reason that the an evolutionary state of a combination of bacterial mutations causes a freak accident in a monkey. not an evolution by us, but rather a small # controlling us making us believe we are human and alive. See "depths of human consciousness" for more wack circumstantial evidence of this.
not only is it possible we're not from here orginally, its not worth arguing about it. doesnt change the fact that when u die you will degrade back into an energy and evaporate into the cosmic mist from whence you came.
Only the facts here people.
-98.6% shared DNA
-Bacteria manipulates DNA (even our personalities, did you know that?)
These are both fair facts. Now lets apply logic.
We are a product of our surroundings, we we share the same bacteria as everything else on this rock, so its fair say if the above statements are true that we also have the same "dna manipulating effect".
This makes us 98.6 similar because of the bacteria found on earth, not our necessarily our genetic source (two enzymes in a pond). Take away bacteria and we die. We cannot digest food, we cannot see, arguably we might not even have certain congnative thought, we'd be a lifeless shell.
Think about this, just because we're almost totally identical, doesn't mean the code for "sentience" came from here. This also means that sentience might not be inherent to some SPECIAL human thing, there is no reason that the an evolutionary state of a combination of bacterial mutations causes a freak accident in a monkey. not an evolution by us, but rather a small # controlling us making us believe we are human and alive. See "depths of human consciousness" for more wack circumstantial evidence of this.
not only is it possible we're not from here orginally, its not worth arguing about it. doesnt change the fact that when u die you will degrade back into an energy and evaporate into the cosmic mist from whence you came.
Only the facts here people.
That is quite a leap of faith. reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 11:21 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by OhZone
Howdy OZ
That has been done its called comparative anatomy. That humans, chimps and bonobos are related to us is beyond question- and that man himself is related to every other creature on this planet.
DNA might evolve on another planet but then we have no evidence to support that.
If one goes for diffusion of life then yes it possible but not probable that life started on Mars and was transferred here by meteor impact. It is equally possible the opposite occurred.
Howdy OZ
That has been done its called comparative anatomy. That humans, chimps and bonobos are related to us is beyond question- and that man himself is related to every other creature on this planet.
DNA might evolve on another planet but then we have no evidence to support that.
If one goes for diffusion of life then yes it possible but not probable that life started on Mars and was transferred here by meteor impact. It is equally possible the opposite occurred.
reply posted on 29-1-2009 @ 12:41 AM by Hanslune
reply to post by coredrill
Hey Coredrill
Once when I was discussing this subject on another board far, far away. We had gone on for several days and hundreds of messages when the believer admitted defeat and bowed out. A few days later he came back and had the solution. Earth and Mars had SWITCH positions during pre-historic times so life had started on Mars and had moved to Earth because the orbital paths determined what the planets names were.......
Hey Coredrill
Once when I was discussing this subject on another board far, far away. We had gone on for several days and hundreds of messages when the believer admitted defeat and bowed out. A few days later he came back and had the solution. Earth and Mars had SWITCH positions during pre-historic times so life had started on Mars and had moved to Earth because the orbital paths determined what the planets names were.......
reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 10:08 PM by karaxdeath
So, I wasn't planning on responding to this topic until I saw what MankoW
said about the asteroid belt having once been a planet (this bothers me). The asteroid belt was most likely never one planet. There are significant differences in the chemical compositions of the asteroids...which would be really hard to explain if they came from the same planet. Also, the large amount of energy that would have been required to destroy that planet probably would have affected Mars or Jupiter. Check wikipedia. No, seriously, do it. I'll even give you the link.
en.wikipedia.org...
On another note: MankoW said that a while ago but it just bugged me so much ><
[edit on 31-1-2009 by karaxdeath]
said about the asteroid belt having once been a planet (this bothers me). The asteroid belt was most likely never one planet. There are significant differences in the chemical compositions of the asteroids...which would be really hard to explain if they came from the same planet. Also, the large amount of energy that would have been required to destroy that planet probably would have affected Mars or Jupiter. Check wikipedia. No, seriously, do it. I'll even give you the link.
en.wikipedia.org...
On another note: MankoW said that a while ago but it just bugged me so much ><
[edit on 31-1-2009 by karaxdeath]
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