Former Acting CIA Director: “Thank God for the Deep State”

a reply to: Slichter

No.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Well, in a way he is, he's essentially saying restricting the investigation of Biden's kid's boss because his dad's the V-POTUS is a-ok, but encouraging the already reopened investigation into Biden's kid's boss is apparently election meddling because...reasons? Reasons so dire that Staffers in the admin whistleblow and then either resign or are dismissed, back to their previous duty station in the CIA. You know, the one that has a charter prohibiting activities against domestic targets.

McLaughlin expounds:

...these are people who are doing their duty, or responding to a higher call, um, it doesn't sup...I guess it doesn't sur...well think about it for a minute, with all of the people who knew what was going on here, it took an intelligence operative to step..officer to step forward and say something about it which was the, uh, the trigger that then unleashed everything else. Now why does that happen? What...uh, tell american people why that happens is this is the institution in the US Government that with all of its flaws, and it makes mistakes, is institutionally committed to objectivity and to telling the truth. It is, it is one of the few institutions in Washington that is not in a chain of command that makes or implements policy, it's whole job is to speak the truth, it's engraved in marble in the lobby.

Now I have some questions, as an armchair psychologist myself, why initially are operatives suddenly officers? What is this "higher call" which might trump duty? Why did he seem to remind himself to remind the american people? Finally, what the hell does the engraving in the marble in the lobby have to do with the conduct of individual agents? You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe the public image of your agency has any bearing on the conduct of individual OPERATIVES, or officers, for that matter. Best case, this is the sort of magick I was talking about with another poster. They are required to say exactly what is true, in a halting fashion, in order inflect doubt upon it. You may think this is overthinking, but it is the perfect defense.

If Joe Biden has nothing to hide regarding his interference in the investigation of Burisma Holdings, to which his son was a board member, doing practically nothing other than providing his name in compensation, then he should support an investigation. That's the standard set now, right?

a reply to: Zelun

What is this "higher call" which might trump duty?

Zelun, it is phrases like that which alarm me. Much like the former POTUS who invoked the "arc of the moral universe", even if that particular phrase had some history behind it.

The choice of words in these cases are not those of one who is prompted by dedication to the solemn oath that government personnel swear; it is more akin to a profession of faith. Cue the alarm bells -- one characteristic that both national socialism and communism shared was the positioning of political ideology as a substitute faith. And when I look at some of the behavior of Trump's opposition since his surprise win in 2016, it is IMO not based in cold political calculation. Rather, it seems an exercise in rallying the faithful to fight a religious war against that which is evil -- with all of the fanaticism and dismissal of inconvenient realities that color such an enterprise.

Thus, the "higher call". Thus, the need to crowbar the arc of moral universe into what one perceives is the desired direction. Thus, the disconnection from wider reality and the fantastic accusations.

I've no idea where this is headed, but my guess is that societies that abandon rational practice of politics end up in conflict sooner rather than later.

Cheers

a reply to: Zelun

Many people on ATS understand the Third Reich was popularized in German art circles in the 1870's there is nothing wrong with that.

This thread is about the director of the US CIA so you would naturally want to understand their mission and History.
A few years back they released the "Berlin clue" to renew interest in their Kryptos puzzle.
They set up a web site that you could enter the first 9 or 10 characters of the plaintext to check on the US literacy rate.
Maybe you didn't read as far as where Thor strikes the head off Hymir's largest ox to use as his bait?

a reply to: JustJohnny

There are still Obama holdovers running about, so
You might need to revise your understanding of this.

a reply to: Zelun
The man was just blowing smoke... clouding things... obfuscation is what they do for a living whether it’s for the hous of the country or not.

a reply to: Slichter

The Third Reich existed in the 1870s?

Oookay then.

a reply to: Zelun

So, are you in support of or against the use of government power for purely political reasons?

Your extensive proposal here seems ... muddied.

a reply to: Gryphon66

In the late 1890's Theodor Hertzl dreamed up the Heimstatte—a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine secured by public law. The original Exodus across the Red Sea by the Israelites chased by the Egyptians was better chronicled.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am against the use of government power for reasons other than those in support of the oath of office held. I think that's a nice, specific way to express it. If Trump happens to gain political advantage over Biden during the course of carrying out his duties as President, well that's just how the cookie crumbles.

I think a large part of the investigation which Trump was encouraging to be carried out, was to discover where the previous USAID payments given to Ukraine ended up. Seems like due diligence to me to determine that before more funds are sent.

Also, I think that the details of that conversation being leaked (sorry, whistleblown) has done more damage, politically, to Biden then it would have, had that conversation remained privileged.

We also have an ongoing agreement with Ukraine to offer assistance and share intelligence in support of investigation, so there's that.

I guess...I don't know. Can you give me an idea as to what it is you feel I'm proposing? I could probably give you a better answer if I knew that.

best!
z

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman seem more like deep state operators than Hunter Biden, and Giuliani would have been a 911 deep state operative if there was a 911 project deep state. Ukraine is getting military aid manufactured by the same black project suppliers as the other countries rumored to have deep state governments. Maybe this whole thing is some kind of disclosure?

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: BrennanHuff22
I'm old enough to remember that the "deep state" was an alt-right conspiracy.

So tell me, if a conspiracy or a truth exists, would it matter where it came from or who blew the whistle? There is more than enough literature explaining the existence of these groups and all of their connections. I can tell for 100% certainty that you do not read. If you do, it is the wrong books. Powerful people controlling things at high levels has been going on for thousands of years. President's like JFK and Woodrow Wilson have even told us blatantly of the existence of the "deep state". You can call it whatever you want, but they most certainly exist.

Which is why I don't understand why people are so hell bent over politics. It's a front.

a reply to: Slichter

Hang on, are you advertising a CIA crypto recruitment effort? Weird flex.

quoting for full effect:

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Zelun

Many people on ATS understand the Third Reich was popularized in German art circles in the 1870's there is nothing wrong with that.

This thread is about the director of the US CIA so you would naturally want to understand their mission and History.
A few years back they released the "Berlin clue" to renew interest in their Kryptos puzzle.
They set up a web site that you could enter the first 9 or 10 characters of the plaintext to check on the US literacy rate.
Maybe you didn't read as far as where Thor strikes the head off Hymir's largest ox to use as his bait?

a reply to: jidnum

It is, and it isn't. If you were to say to me the bi-partisan system is a control system to shoehorn people into categories in order to give the illusion of choice, then I'd agree. On the other hand, if you're saying this impeachment effort is just a play, put on to amuse and engage the product of that system on both sides, I'd emphatically say you're wrong, because if articles of impeachment are ratified and sent to the Senate, I have no confidence that partisan politics ensure they die in the Senate. It would take only a few "conscientious objectors" to convict. Basically Chekhov's gun, where an impeachment conviction is the gun. Against all odds. Now that would be great theater, but with real-life consequences.

a reply to: Zelun

His attitude makes it easier to believe the "conspiracy theories" surrounding the 9-1-1 attacks.

The "Deep State" is apparently capable of anything...no moral restrictions in place.

a reply to: carewemust

Glad to see you!

He is clearly a masterful wordsmith, which he should be after so many years of sanctioned statecraft.

I do not believe the "Deep State" operates in an amoral fashion, rather the value system they adhere to differs from that which is held by us plebs. They value pawn sacrifice. We value "no man left behind." That's not gender specific, it's just a phrase that doesn't translate as well when you say "no person left behind." Maybe "nobody left behind" will suffice. Anyway, let's be clear that the phrase "conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA as a means to cast doubt on theories which contradict the official account.

So I wouldn't say "no moral restrictions," I would say more like "different moral restrictions." They think they're doing the right thing.

best!
z

a reply to: Zelun

John McLaughlin talks about "truth" implying truthful disclosure, yet the CIA Kryptos puzzle implies "hidden" since "Kryptos" is the Greek word for "hidden". The Kryptos puzzle is a good place to learn about the CIA style of disclosure if you are up to it. It may become clearer why people like Nietzsche see history from an "Eternal Recurrence" perspective.

You could write this impeachment proceeding off as just beating around the bush as it were, but as you noted there could be consequences. 1964 the year McLaughlin received his Bachelor of arts degree, Minoru Yamasaki the designer of the world trade center towers received his DFA. "A Fine Line" the chess game played between Robert James Fischer and Reuben Fine occurred a year earlier in New York. Fischer suggested the 911 tower implosions could be explained as a millennial ER (beginning of the third?). Not sure I would take that pawn, but The World Trade Center was designed about the time of the JFK assassination and constructed on the site of "radio row" at about the time television was becoming the primary MSM tool. Also according to the televised Lone Gunmen episode, the Octium IV was providing the masses with internet about the time the twin towers were taken down.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Zelun

His attitude makes it easier to believe the "conspiracy theories" surrounding the 9-1-1 attacks.

The "Deep State" is apparently capable of anything...no moral restrictions in place.

How do you define the "Deep State" CWM? Zelun and I shared our definitions, do you mind sharing yours?

originally posted by: Zelun
a reply to: carewemust
Glad to see you!
He is clearly a masterful wordsmith, which he should be after so many years of sanctioned statecraft.
So I wouldn't say "no moral restrictions," I would say more like "different moral restrictions." They think they're doing the right thing.
best!
z

Glad to see me? Maybe we've been pen-pals? Refresh my memory....please!

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Zelun

His attitude makes it easier to believe the "conspiracy theories" surrounding the 9-1-1 attacks.

The "Deep State" is apparently capable of anything...no moral restrictions in place.

How do you define the "Deep State" CWM? Zelun and I shared our definitions, do you mind sharing yours?

Anyone in top levels of government who does not willingly carry out tasks that support the current President's agenda. That's my definition. They should either "play ball", or quit.