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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Please show me your evidence, I am interested in seeing it.
Originally posted by meshuggah1324
Show me some of your evidence besides some bible scripts
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
You make some interesting points Borg but it could actually be a big difference if we were created by Aliens or "God". I feel like we would be closer to answers( among other things) if we just thought of Aliens as "Gods". They just seem more reachable or tangible than a Holy Spirit that always seem to change form as science advances still stay believeable. Like Im sure it will happen when/If they find life on Mars.
And saying that Aliens obviopusly had to have a creator too does not answer any questions. The same thing can be said about anything, even "God".
And to Meshuggah did "God" not make himself known to us in Biblical. Just replace the word God with Aliens.
Originally posted by TheBorg
I fail to see what relevance it makes whether we were "created" by aliens or by God. No entity in this universe can really create anything; they simply manipulate matter in such a way as to allow a new thing to come to be, not creation in the truest sense.
Now, I know some of you will jump up and flame me for misdefining the word creation, but let me put this into perspective first. The creation that I'm talking about is the true genesis of some new thing from so-called "nothing". In a physical universe, such as the one in which we inhabit, I find it impossible for the so-called "nothing" to exist. Anything that can be defined is not nothing. Nothing is a concept, just like infinity is.
And now I bet some of you are asking the question: What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Well, in the scope of being created by an alien race, one must ask the question who created the aliens. The discovery of other life should only BOLSTER the belief in an all-powerful being, since they had to be created by some other entity. If one takes this back far enough, sooner or later we're gonna find out that there is an all-powerful being, God if you will, that started it all. He'll be the one that created everything from "nothing", therefore allowing all other races of beings to come along and tweak his creation to suit them, making other things as they go. These things they make are not created by them, per se, they are manipulated into being by them. God made them by proxy because he gave these entities the intelligence to manipulate matter in such a way that they could appear to create something, when in fact all they did was mix some stuff together that hadn't been mixed before.
I hope this makes sense.
It is not a Graven Image spoken of in the commandments.
Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
As I posted somewhere else on another thread. I watched a show on the history, Discovery, TLC, or PBs channel and they had a program on talking about the Catholic Churches official position on aliens, demons, & alternate dimensions. They had a bishop or Cardinal from Spain and an exorcist stating that Zacheriah Stichin's theory of humanity being created / manipulated by aliens was actually the DIVINE WILL of GOD. It was God who made the aliens that manipulated humans. He said the church believes in alternate dimensions & that demons / fallen angels are trying to take control of human bodies to experience our pleasures in life etc.
They actually support alien life on other planets. That was pretty wierd.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Technically a graven image is any image engraved into something, so yes, my statement that a fish carving would be a violation of the literal commandment is correct, given that interpretation....
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
According to II Kings 18:4, the righteous king Hezekiah of Judea, took offense to this serpent rod of Moses, and broke it into pieces, as it seems it was revered as an idol.
We can look at it this way, yes. Imagine it taking that long to stop the idolatry. When confronted with texts such as I provided usually such excuses pop up, as it is never the rational thought as to why God would in fact issue such an edict to Moses to stop that which he himself started...the snake bites. So many choices; stop the attacks by the serpents; provide the hands-on healing powers or instruct Moses to make a wand. Choices, choices, choices, too many complicated choices it seems.
Originally posted by NoPhobosYes, we too, as a people, make objects into idols. Objects that originally had another purpose can become idols. Some modern day churches revere their relics and antiques so much that they have become idols. Some modern day people revere their money, cars, stars, selves, so much that those things have become idols.
That doesn’t mean that the original objects were made to be an idol, only that they became an idol after we started worshiping them.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
usually such excuses pop up, as it is never the rational thought as to why God would in fact issue such an edict to Moses to stop that which he himself started...the snake bites.
I suppose the cherubim guarding the arc are not idolatrous in nature either
An interesting adornment is the Uraeus and when it came to symbolize what it symbolizes. I call it Moses redux.