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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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Big picture is...what happens if we default on loaned monies. The richest country in the world and we borrow from the likes of that list.... Sumptin aint right. The economic system is a sham...printing money out of no where and paying back the FED interest is a con. National debt is a scare tactic. Fear porn. C
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: underwerks

Dude, I live in corn central Indiana..
The farm issues you're talking about have been happening for decades.
Trumps policies are not causing these issues.


They're exacerbating them. Badly. His tariffs are squeezing out small farmers left and right. You can't look at the data and think otherwise.


I have to assume you know nothing about the industry.

The small family farm is, for the most part, a thing of a bygone era. They were squeezed out a long time ago.

Sure, some still exist, but they are not the backbone of food production they used to be. Most profitable operations are run like corporations, with employees, capital investment strategies, accountants, and unfortunately lawyers.

It's the 21st century my friend.


Make all the excuses you want for the crap policies of the current administration. The numbers don't lie.


Hmmm.........

My post said nothing about governmental policies, Trump, or even politics in general.

It was simply my "informed" take on the demise of the family farm, over the last half century.

Everything is not a Trump thing, no matter how much you want it to be.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Mach2

Stop whining thought police.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Mach2

Stop whining thought police.


I have to ask, how is pointing out the reality of the Constitution being "thought police"?

When you propose an idea, not founded in reality, it is not really an idea. It is fantasy. If I point that out, I'm not policing your thoughts. I'm enlightening you, as to how luicrous the idea is, on any time scale either of is likely to live to see.
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

IDK if she's dem but I remember we had a candidate here in ATS. Zazzafrazz had a great campaign last time.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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With spending as high now as it was with Obama during a recession I would expect things to be a hell of a lot better than they are now.

We were told the tax cuts would pay for themselves and it hasn't even come close. If interest rates jump up at all everything will come crashing down. We are on a razor's edge.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
With spending as high now as it was with Obama during a recession I would expect things to be a hell of a lot better than they are now.

We were told the tax cuts would pay for themselves and it hasn't even come close. If interest rates jump up at all everything will come crashing down. We are on a razor's edge.


Then you weren't paying attemtion. The tax cuts were always projected to take ten years before they recouped the loss in revenue to the government.

The premise was to give the middle class a break, but more importantly (and this is lost on the rich=evil types), it brought the corporate tax rate back in line with those of other competing countries.

I think we can all agree at this point, we have a global economy. If our corporate tax rates are comparatively high, businesses, and therefore jobs, will go elsewhere to do business.

It's no accident that a floundering ecomomy immediately turned upward litterally the day Trump won the election.

It wasn't some latent Obama policy, it was the prospect of corporate tax relief, and the dismantling of burdensome regulations.
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DAVID64

Bernie:

Federal Legalization of Cannabis

Affordable health care for all

Expanding social security

Tuition free college

Revitalizing rural areas

Affordable housing for all

Eliminating all past due medical debt

Ending private prisons

Ending the war on drugs

Revitalizing our education system

Overturning Citizens United

and more..

If you're one of those people who only care about what you get personally (screw you I got mine) than you're better off just staying with Trump. He isn't going to do anything for you, but he'll stand at a podium and say he is. That seems to be enough for you guys.


Your second bullet destroys the entire economy so no thank.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: PurpleFox


Your second bullet destroys the entire economy so no thank.


Say's affordable, not free. I can get down with that. Insurance companies and the new "big hospital" businesses are ripping people off.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: PurpleFox

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DAVID64

Bernie:

Federal Legalization of Cannabis

Affordable health care for all

Expanding social security

Tuition free college

Revitalizing rural areas

Affordable housing for all

Eliminating all past due medical debt

Ending private prisons

Ending the war on drugs

Revitalizing our education system

Overturning Citizens United

and more..

If you're one of those people who only care about what you get personally (screw you I got mine) than you're better off just staying with Trump. He isn't going to do anything for you, but he'll stand at a podium and say he is. That seems to be enough for you guys.


Your second bullet destroys the entire economy so no thank.


I don't understand how ppl fail to see this.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: PurpleFox


Your second bullet destroys the entire economy so no thank.


Say's affordable, not free. I can get down with that. Insurance companies and the new "big hospital" businesses are ripping people off.


I don't disagree, but socialized healthcare is not the answer. They totally price gouge, as both are for profit businesses, answerable to boards of directors, and stockholders.

The quandry is that the government is so inefficient, wasteful, and downright incompetent, that they can't be trusted to make it cheaper overall.

Name one government program that is run competently compared to the private sector.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: Mach2

First, the lie that the economy took an upturn as soon as he took office is so far from the truth you should be ashamed.

Second, he claimed he would pay off the debt in 8 years and that the tax cuts would pay for themselves not in 10 years.

I don't care about the left-right politics other than to get a few jabs in once in a while and have a few laughs, but the economy collapsing is no laughing matter. We are in a false economy it simply isn't sustainable. We are on the course to the debt hitting 30 trillion with the next 10 or so years. Maybe faster since it has already gone up 3 trillion with an administration that claims it is a good economy. This is insane. It will all crash if the interest rate spikes even a bit.

I am not saying the Dems have a better plan because they don't, but the current administration has nothing either. When Trump came in we were already headed for the debt to increase by trillions, but instead of lowering the forcast he increased it by 4.1 trillion.

$4.1 trillion of debt signed into law by President Trump is on top of the $16.2 trillion we already owed and the $9.8 trillion we were projected to borrow over the next decade absent those proposals. It would bring debt to about 97 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2029, compared to 84 percent if no debt-increasing legislation had been passed.

That is his plan.
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Those are all very good and wonderful.

But...

Umm...

How are you going to pay for all of this wonderful stuff, Bernie?? That's a somewhat rhetorical question since the answer will be blindingly obvious...



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

Get a lobotomy and you will vote Democrat forever.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

Not Really an Anti Trumper but technically a registered d, so I will play.

Tulsi Gabbard

She is well spoken, easy on the eyes and most importantly NOT HILLARY!!!




posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Mach2

Does it not bother you that his policies are pushing up your National debt rather then reducing it ? , your Nationl debt just rose to $23 trillion , up $1 trillion in just 10 months.

“Reaching $23 trillion in debt on Halloween is a scary milestone for our economy and the next generation, but Washington shows no fear," said Michael A. Peterson, CEO of the fiscally conservative Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

"Piling on debt like this is especially unwise and unnecessary in a strong economy," he added.

High levels of debt can push up borrowing costs and interest rates, "crowd out" private borrowing and weigh down budgets. In the 2019 fiscal year, for example, the government had to devote $376 billion just to pay the interest on the debt, equivalent to nearly half the defense budget, and more than the amount spent on the combined costs of education, agriculture, transportation and housing.

The deficit for 2019 came in just under $1 trillion, at $984 billion, and is only expected to grow in coming years.
thehill.com...



Trump didn't write the bill...And it's not his policies that raising the deficit...In fact, Trump has been eliminating costs left and right...

The Democrat House proposed the spending bill...The gutless Senate agreed with it...It was up to Trump to accept it or reject it...He Trump rejected the bill, the gov't would have shut down, again...The Democrats and media would have blamed Trump for shutting down the gov't...It was a no-win situation for Trump...He had no choice but to sign the bill...



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Mach2

You take sarcasm far to literal. Calm down.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gortex

Shouldn't we (as voters) be concerned about policies and plans instead of superficial nonsense like they appear pleasant?

Might as well vote for someone because they have "nice boobs".


That rules out all of Hollywood. Those boobs are all fake.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DAVID64

Bernie:

Federal Legalization of Cannabis

Affordable health care for all

Expanding social security

Tuition free college

Revitalizing rural areas

Affordable housing for all

Eliminating all past due medical debt

Ending private prisons

Ending the war on drugs

Revitalizing our education system

Overturning Citizens United

and more..

If you're one of those people who only care about what you get personally (screw you I got mine) than you're better off just staying with Trump. He isn't going to do anything for you, but he'll stand at a podium and say he is. That seems to be enough for you guys.



Part of the challenge is to show how they will "improve the lives of the average American" and " benefit to this country as far as taxes" are concerned.

Bernie's plans are a sinkhole for taxes that won't work. They won't work without sending us all to the breadlines... and there won't be any bread.


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posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: gortex

The last guy's policies did that too. Budget depends as much on congress as it does on president. If the congress isn't serious about cutting spending, then it won't happen. The last time we had a congress that got serious about was during the Clinton presidency and the so-called surplus. Everyone gives Clinton all the credit for that, but congress deserves as much. Without both bodies being in agreement on it, cutting won't happen.



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