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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:30 AM
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Lol. Cmon man. That was so obviously a smartarse answer.



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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: Mach2

Then get rid of the ec and just make it a fpp democracy if people are going to focus on only the presidential candidates.

If no Democrat best represents him in his district then why keep it that way by potentially voting for a Democrat presidential candidate?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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As far as Tom Hanks? He is a well liked guy, and great actor. Why would he want the headache?

He wouldn't and according to Michael Moore he doesn't , Moore claims he's asked him to run twice but Hanks has more sense.

The next president needs to be someone who can unify your country , mend broken international relationships and regain a little respect for the office of President of the United States , I don't see anyone of that ilk with their hat in the ring so good luck , I think you're going to need it.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: gortex

If he's got good ideas and I can see how they would benefit the country, I would certainly listen. Also,if he can debate them convincingly, without canned answers or a teleprompter I would give him a chance. Otherwise, being a "decent chap" is pretty far down my list of what I'm looking for in a President.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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Otherwise, being a "decent chap" is pretty far down my list of what I'm looking for in a President.

It has to be preferable to the indecent chap who currently holds the office , a bit of moral fibre could go a long way.
Aside from Hanks seeming like a nice chap he also seems quite an intelligent guy which is likely why he won't run ... there's always Oprah I guess.


(For the easily triggered that was a joke)



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Mach2




As far as Tom Hanks? He is a well liked guy, and great actor. Why would he want the headache?

He wouldn't and according to Michael Moore he doesn't , Moore claims he's asked him to run twice but Hanks has more sense.

The next president needs to be someone who can unify your country , mend broken international relationships and regain a little respect for the office of President of the United States , I don't see anyone of that ilk with their hat in the ring so good luck , I think you're going to need it.


I don't think the "divide" is as large as may be portrayed by an overwhelmingly bias media.

While the gap is huge between the extremes, the majority of the public is, by definition, moderate.

There are many who don't care for Trump's seemingly "abraisive" personality, but do beleive in his policies on things like the economy, fair trade, immigration, etc.

I can gaurantee you one thing. A majority of Americans over the age of 30 do not support extreme socialist policies.

I happen to like DJT. He says what he thinks, and even if I think he, unnecessarily, goes overboard at times, that's better that two faced politicians lying to my face. Sniper fire my a$$.

The point is, even if i didn't like him, his policies are far more in line with my beliefs than any of the left wingnuts that are running.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: gortex

The only reason a decent guy would be nice but not necessary is that anyone who holds the office will be dealing with a whole bunch of indecent a-holes at home and around the world. Being Ghandi once in a while might work but sometimes you need Rambo



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: underpass61




Otherwise, being a "decent chap" is pretty far down my list of what I'm looking for in a President.

It has to be preferable to the indecent chap who currently holds the office , a bit of moral fibre could go a long way.
Aside from Hanks seeming like a nice chap he also seems quite an intelligent guy which is likely why he won't run ... there's always Oprah I guess.


(For the easily triggered that was a joke)


I can respect your opinion, but morality is subjective. I don't want my government legislating morality, so aside from someone doing others harm, I try not to be judgemental.

What I do know is, given the choice between a prick that can get the job done efficiently, and a nice guy that can't, I'll take the "prick" every time. I'm not looking for someone to hang out with, and watch a ball game.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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Does it not bother you that his policies are pushing up your National debt rather then reducing it ? , your Nationl debt just rose to $23 trillion , up $1 trillion in just 10 months.

“Reaching $23 trillion in debt on Halloween is a scary milestone for our economy and the next generation, but Washington shows no fear," said Michael A. Peterson, CEO of the fiscally conservative Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

"Piling on debt like this is especially unwise and unnecessary in a strong economy," he added.

High levels of debt can push up borrowing costs and interest rates, "crowd out" private borrowing and weigh down budgets. In the 2019 fiscal year, for example, the government had to devote $376 billion just to pay the interest on the debt, equivalent to nearly half the defense budget, and more than the amount spent on the combined costs of education, agriculture, transportation and housing.

The deficit for 2019 came in just under $1 trillion, at $984 billion, and is only expected to grow in coming years.
thehill.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: gortex

If he's got good ideas and I can see how they would benefit the country, I would certainly listen. Also,if he can debate them convincingly, without canned answers or a teleprompter I would give him a chance. Otherwise, being a "decent chap" is pretty far down my list of what I'm looking for in a President.


I agree. I don't know your age, but Jimmy Carter was a hell of a good guy. Best ex president you could ask for. He presidency, however was a fiasco, wrapped in a disaster.

In fairness he was dealt a pretty bad hand, but that's when you need a butt kicker.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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No thanks. Why would I spend my time doing this?

a reply to: DAVID64



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: hombero
No thanks. Why would I spend my time doing this?

a reply to: DAVID64


You spent the time reading and replying you may as well go the whole hog.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:12 AM
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The "61" in my screen name is the year I was born, so yeah I remember Jimmy Carter well. Great guy, couldn't get squat done. Brother Billy's antics didn't help either. The best thing that came out of his Presidency was the sitcom, "Carter Country".



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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I don't see why you would either. You're Canadian.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Mach2

Does it not bother you that his policies are pushing up your National debt rather then reducing it ? , your Nationl debt just rose to $23 trillion , up $1 trillion in just 10 months.

“Reaching $23 trillion in debt on Halloween is a scary milestone for our economy and the next generation, but Washington shows no fear," said Michael A. Peterson, CEO of the fiscally conservative Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

"Piling on debt like this is especially unwise and unnecessary in a strong economy," he added.

High levels of debt can push up borrowing costs and interest rates, "crowd out" private borrowing and weigh down budgets. In the 2019 fiscal year, for example, the government had to devote $376 billion just to pay the interest on the debt, equivalent to nearly half the defense budget, and more than the amount spent on the combined costs of education, agriculture, transportation and housing.

The deficit for 2019 came in just under $1 trillion, at $984 billion, and is only expected to grow in coming years.
thehill.com...



Great question actually.

If you research the reality of the situation, most reputable economists don't believe that is is, in any way, detrimental or unmanageable at this point. It certainly is a big number though.

One thing is, a good growing economy, long term, is more important than the debt.

The reason for the jump is that's what happens, initially, with substantial tax cuts. The thought process being that a growing economy makes up the difference long term. It is sound logic, but there are problems with it. Presidential term limits usuallt prohibit the policies to be in effect long enough for it to come to fruition.

AFAIC, the problem lies, not with Trump, but with congress. They make the final budget. The President (regardless of who) just opts to sign, or not. He doesn't have much leverage, because his only option is to shut down the government, in which case troops, airporr security, government employees, etc don't get paid.

To answer the question, I blame spineless members of congress, and inefficient governmental beurocrocy far more than the person that resides at 1700 Pennsylvania Ave.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64

I have a 2 part challenge for our resident Democrats and Anti Trumpers.

#1 Pick a Presidential candidate [ or a combination ] and tell me why you support them. What plan/policy/ideas do they have that will improve the lives of the average American. How will they be a benefit to this country as far as taxes, jobs, healthcare, trade, etc, are concerned. Tell me why I should vote for that person.

# 2 here's the hard part...... Do it without mentioning Trump.
Let your candidate stand on their own merit.

I expect this to be impossible for some. If you can't do it without bringing up Trump and your argument basically boils down to Orange Man Bad, maybe you should take another look at your choice......and a long look in the mirror.

So...come on...here's your chance...convince me.

SPOT ON BROTHER( or sister).... so true..I ask my mother in law this all the time... cant answer. doesn't know anything about them other than they appear nice... I have repeatedly told her this is why our country is in shambles.




posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: underpass61

Remember "Billy Beer" ?
I wish I didn't. If you offered me a choice between a glass of horse piss and a can of that, I'd have to sit down and think it over.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Mach2

Then get rid of the ec and just make it a fpp democracy if people are going to focus on only the presidential candidates.

If no Democrat best represents him in his district then why keep it that way by potentially voting for a Democrat presidential candidate?


Is that your final answer? Change the Constitution? Do you even realize what that entails?

How about if you just address OPs question? You know, the one actually based in reality?
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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Bernie:

Federal Legalization of Cannabis

Affordable health care for all

Expanding social security

Tuition free college

Revitalizing rural areas

Affordable housing for all

Eliminating all past due medical debt

Ending private prisons

Ending the war on drugs

Revitalizing our education system

Overturning Citizens United

and more..

If you're one of those people who only care about what you get personally (screw you I got mine) than you're better off just staying with Trump. He isn't going to do anything for you, but he'll stand at a podium and say he is. That seems to be enough for you guys.




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