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Democrat lawmaker says aborted fetal remains do not deserve a respectful burial

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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy

"Rightists" don't have miscarriages or abortions?


Sure they do, and their just as amoral.

Only they lie about it.




posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy

"Rightists" don't have miscarriages or abortions?


Sure they do, and their just as amoral.

Only they lie about it.


Dayum.

TRUTH BOMB

I'd like to see us stop using the government to bash each others beliefs. That would solve about 90% of this crap.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: seeker1963

Humans, the only creature on this planet to actually comprehend what living and what death is. Such a burden.

Anyways.

She didn't mention abortion. She mentioned miscarriage. Your title is misleading.


Medically speaking a miscarriage is an abortion. Fact.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Isn't the rate of spontaneous abortion about 50% in the first trimester?



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Isn't the rate of spontaneous abortion about 50% in the first trimester?

Depends on a lot of factors. 10-20% would be a closer figure (if you include the number of times implantation does not occur you might be looking at closer to 40%, but no one is doing a ceremony when they don't realize they were ever pregnant). Regardless, a miscarriage is an abortion.

GTPAL. Where A stands for abortions, as defined as the number of lost pregnancies within 20 weeks either spontaneously or elective. A miscarriage is an abortion, medically speaking.
edit on 1-11-2019 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Technically yea. But not 8n the way a lot of people will take it...



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

At 19 weeks a spontaneous miscarriage or an elective abortion will look the same. Apparently one is okay to have a ceremony for and one isn't. Not sure how that is.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Someone is forbidding someone else to have a ceremony?



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies


Ummm...ah hell...that's nothing...

They want to put post birth aborted human's...on the barbee...with some "Sweet Baby Ray's"...

Yessir...they be liking some little short...long pork...


God love em...

Cause they're making it harder by the minute for sane people to have any compassion for their...predilections...







YouSir



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

An early miscarriage would just be a mess on a napkin.

What you are suggesting is a female knew about the 19th week old and didnt give a damn.

At the end of the day it's up to who carried that potential person to carry out how they feel the miscarriage should be handled.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Ahhh, save every life, but send those same babies to war when they are 18. Only diff is the size of the coffin I guess.



Ummm...hello...McFly...if there's a coffin...then there's respect...and a ceremony...

KWIM...?

That there falls counter to the grain...ahem...Meat...of the good congress critters manifesto...


Besides...a little Sriracha and BAM...Ullman is in the house...





YouSir



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Ahhh, save every life, but send those same babies to war when they are 18. Only diff is the size of the coffin I guess.


Have we reenacted the draft here in America? These babies make a decision to join not a forced requirement like in some countries.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

People choose to have a "proper burial" in cases of miscarriage. Is this debate over whether the taxpayers, individuals or insurance companies should be required to hold such a ceremony?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Be interesting to kow the percentage of pro lifers that adopt or foster.



a reply to: Bluntone22



Is it possible to adopt or foster aborted fetuses? A bit too late by then dont you think?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

At the end of the day it's up to who carried that potential person to carry out how they feel the miscarriage should be handled.


^This.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 05:27 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

So, a woman should be charged with murder if she miscarries?

(Ad absurdam arguments cut both ways.)



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: seeker1963

A clump of cells means that there are cells that are alive. Same as on Mars, a clump of cells is life as cells are alive. However a clump of cells isn't actually a creature or has any clue as to what is going on, if they are important, cry for all the bacteria people wipe and kill every day just cleaning the house, they are life too.



This is probably way more concerning
HUMAN MINI-BRAINS CREATED IN LAB MAY BECOME SENTIENT AND ABLE TO FEEL PAIN, SCIENTISTS WARN




A group of researchers is scheduled to speak at the Society for Neuroscience meeting in Chicago today to discuss the ethical implications of organoid-based research, The Guardian reports. They argue that some scientists working with organoids risk crossing ethical lines and could unwittingly cause their biological creations to suffer, were they to become conscious—and that some may have already crossed that line by creating sentient tissue.

www.newsweek.com...


If one is pro-abortion or pro-choice then creating human brains in labs to experiment on should not bother them at all.

After all fetus' feel pain quite early, at 20 weeks. Fetus' are routinely dismembered alive while feeling pain during abortions. So this is not a threshold for worry if one is pro-choice.

Also sentience should not be a concern for pro-choice either. Some researchers say sentience in a human fetus can occur as early as 17 weeks while others say 24 weeks.

Fetus' are routinely aborted at the stage where sentience occurs. So this should not bother pro-choice people either.

So what's the big deal if you are pro-choice in creating a human brain in a lab to experiment on, after all it is not a human and never will be. So who cares, just a clump of cells.

After all who cares about miscarriages, like the Democrat lawmaker says, it isn't human, just crap on panties or a pad to be thrown away. No one should care or be distressed about a miscarriage (the actual point of this thread) according to people who are pro-choice/pro-abortion. What's the big deal?

Who should care at all about a fetus who can feel pain and is sentient, they are just a clump of cells to be dismembered at will and experimented on. Why should they be given any sort of respect one would give a miscarried fetus? They are nothing but a clump of cells to be trashed.

Just as a human brain grown in a lab is just a clump of cells by the same definition the pro-abortion crowd gives to sentient fetuses who are aborted. They are all just basically trash to be experimented on.




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posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: The2Billies

She was referring to miscarriages, not abortions tho.


Which actually makes her statement quite cruel doesn't it. But if one is pro-choice then one finds miscarriages to be no big deal, just garbage on panties.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies

"Creating human brains" is a misnomer at best, a intentional deception at worst. However, for the record this pro-choice individual does not have an issue with these experiments.

Fetal neurological development is not settled science, and the argument against choice based on descriptions of "cutting babies apart" is a ludicrous, disgusting, appeal to emotion, suggesting that the argument is BS.

A reasonable legal limit has been placed at viability; aside from that the matter is simple -- if you don't want an abortion, don't get one.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: The2Billies

She was referring to miscarriages, not abortions tho.


Which actually makes her statement quite cruel doesn't it. But if one is pro-choice then one finds miscarriages to be no big deal, just garbage on panties.


What do you find miscarriages to be? God's will?



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