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originally posted by: bluesfreak
a reply to: Harte
As I stated previously, I have gone deeply into why you (and others) act this way in hundreds of previous posts. If you wish, i could expound on that aspect of your flawed personality once again.
Pretty funny. The thing is, when we were talking about lathes regarding bowl turning, there is a specific reason why a lathe fits in with the execution of some of them.
If I have to explain to you again for the ‘nth time, as you don’t seem to understand , even though you claim to have used one:
A turning workpiece produces circular striations related to the centre of the piece. It also allows the easy cutting of CURVES inside ( like a bowl ) . Not achievable with a vertical drill. How many times do I have to explain to you how a lathe works when you claim to have used them???!!!!
For the record , the bowls with handles aren’t turned on a lathe as it would smash the handles off, so don’t lump me in there .
Internal work, curved work, work with circular striations related to a centre point is what I’m talking about. Like the strange ringed ‘plate’ I replicated for you .
You appear to disregard tooling forensics, that’s your personality disorder. It’s because you don’t know what they are though, so maybe not your fault .
a reply to: Harte
Whatever. Read here - chapter five of one of Stock's books. Includes drawings made by copying various AE artworks that explicitly show how these vessels were made, and ends with a similar vessel made by Stocks - using the same method. I'd point out that, although Stocks doesn't have 10 or 20 years experience making these vessels (like the AE craftsmen would have had,) he nevertheless creates a reasonable facsimile of the ancient vessels that have been found. Obviously, you're not going to read this. It is another one of those things you prefer to think doesn't exist. But maybe some others will, and realize how utterly vapid and empty your stupid claims are. Harte
a reply to: Harte
You propose that they had some sort of lathes, but never, ever reproduced one in any artwork, whereas they DID reproduce both kinds of saws AND the upright grinding I'm talking about. Lathes are so much more advanced than either of these other two cutting tools, and I suppose the AE's were too humble to brag about that? I told you before, there is nothing at all on that piece that cannot be done with tube saws and grinding. The concentricity is the only thing I find impressive in the piece, and that can be accomplished with proper fixturing and jigs. Admittedly, neither of those things is shown in any artwork either. Harte
a reply to: Harte
Yes, it's cool. But the AE's had nothing but sand to cut granite with. Don't see how you put that on a lathe cutting tool. The scenes Stocks provides are of an artisanal stone worker's workshop, yet they only include the use of saws, pounders (pecking stones), rubbing stones and the upright grinders. Not the sort of place you would expect to see how they hauled heavy stone, though that IS depicted elsewhere, using ropes and sledges. Forked sticks used in the artwork is what Stocks duplicated. If they had lathes, why would they use that forked stick grinder at all? You obviously know that not ALL AE vessels had handles, and even if they did, that wouldn't prevent them from cutting out the interior of the vessel with a lathe. Nor would the handles prevent them from cutting the exterior with a lathe and leaving a blank at the top for a craftsman to cut the two handles out of. Makes no sense. Has to make some kind of sense or it's just daydreaming. Harte Besides, who would they brag to about that? Everyone in the area would have witnessed how a pyramid was built, but few went into these workshops.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LedermanStudio
Got to have been some kind of builder/technologically superior race that predates history.
But can we handle that?
Scientist cant even Handle PUMA PUNKU
It's the Fringe that can't handle Pumapunku.
Scientists have been handing it for over half a century.
The Non-Mystery of Pumapunku
When you hear that an elephant is carved there, it certainly does give you pause, because an elephant is hard to mistake. However, when you look at a picture of what's claimed to be the elephant, this becomes less surprising. Tiwanaku art was highly stylized, much like what we're accustomed to seeing from the Maya or the Aztecs. It's actually the heads of two crested Andean Condors facing each other neck to neck, and their necks and crests constitute what some have compared to the tusks and ears of an elephant's face. The image of the toxodon is known only from rough sketches of a sculpture discovered in 1934, and so it's a drawing of indirect evidence of an artist's interpretation of an unknown subject. It looks to me like a generic quadruped. Pig, dog, rat, toxodon, name it.